No Fair!

– you guys had a really interesting conversation on relationships and sex, pickup etc. and I missed it. I went through and made some comments on the PUA perspective – perhaps this is an end to discussion, perhaps beginning of new one, prefer latter.

I can preface this by saying I know little about PU community, plenty though about the kind of things they get up to. I approached it from a little bit different perspective.

RAINWATER:
i am intensely NOT attracted to a woman who i could “trick” into having sex with me within an hour of meeting her! don’t these lustful approaches only intensify the gender-rift inside the human psyche?

This assumes the gender-rift is ‘a bad thing’. It is the source of human creativity and is therefore not a bad thing. There must be something that we seek.

This is very fundamental, I hope I am understood here. You cannot have progress towards a goal without first being separated from that goal. And in trying to get to the goal you make something new that was not there before. That is the whole reason for humanity I think.

MICHAEL:
Meta sex is soul sex, or subtle sex, and the general rule is that it happens before you’ve ever had physical sex with someone. Which means you need a developed energy body to realize what it is, other than dumb lust

This is SO important! Don’t people realize that this happens all the time whether noticed and utilized or not? All those ‘looks’ and social dances around each other that occur between men and women *are already a form of sex*. Even Christ was onto this one, I think, somewhere in his oevre. You actually have a bodily response to those things, women and men alike. But you can go beyond the social convention that is set up around them. I’m sure PU respects this idea!

The question is, how conscious is non-physical sex? It is ALWAYS OCCURRING, even when it is unconscious. When it can be used consciously it is strong in effect, physical in effect.

I myself have seen a stripper (a pagan one natch!) channelling a well-known sex entity, a ‘goddess’ you could say. For the soul-centred, sex is very strong without even touching – provided there IS a body, which is what makes desire present. Those without bodies don’t have desires. They can easily be ‘perfect’ – but so what? As Lon Milo DuQuette says, ‘angels are stuck in divine middle management’.

When soul-centred the body can be fed FROM THE SOUL, rather than vice-versa. This can stretch to the other main bodily requirement – food – via ‘eating chi’ – why not to sex also?

When only inherited factors via genes are controlling the body, one needs manipulation. When these are transcended, ‘the game’ becomes completely different.

PUA is really centred on optimizing strategies for men in nightclub situations. It is good for a frustrated society but it is crude! There are infinitely subtler methods even for seducing. The Game can be much more interesting than the players are making it sound. So YES 1000 TIMES it depends what level you are on – and if it ever feels like you are ‘giving up something’ from the lower level in order to get to the higher one, you have the wrong idea.

As an aside, on the vexed question of the ‘don’t buy her flowers and dinners thing’ – mentioned many times – I take a different view from the PUA one.

This practice by men began as a demonstration of POWER, of giving the materially insignificant woman a show of material goods and benificent largesse. When it came to be expected it lost some of its value – for women too remember! They came to see self-esteem in terms of the goods they could attract from men, so they started to feel like whores! When women came to have material-world presence gift-giving lost more power. When women saw completely through it and saw a man pretending, it lost any remaining power.

What would help anyone here is if they became expert at OBE – not that I am trying to say ‘my practice is superior’ or any similar bull. Just that if you once have the experience of talking to a non-spiritually-developed person whilst you are out of your body but they are still in theirs – you KNOW! The person never realizes that the words you say are coming from outside themselves, from you. They always think it’s just thoughts in their own head – UNLESS they have spiritual training.

Doesn’t the fact that you can put any thought in anyone’s head, and any feeling into their body, change ‘The Game’ for the more lunkheaded PUs?

The PUA community quite correctly says that if women get off because of what they do then both sexes benefit. But nobody seems to realize that on both sides it is merely conditioning that is standing in the way – not ‘things as they are’, but ‘things as humanity’s fear of love has made them’.

PLATO:
Yes, the truth about things is that the whole system is put together for DNA replication

I hope everyone noted that this was already answered. The whole point of being spiritually trained is that the body no longer leads the dance of DNA. This DNA is *ancestrally inherited* – if you *truly* get over ancestral issues the DNA does what YOU tell IT. OR as Michael says:

Does the alphabet control our speech, or do we control the alphabet in order to express something deeper? – Michael

– conveniently failing to mention that for most people, the alphabet DOES in fact control their speech. That again is the point of training – that you express your thoughts, they don’t express you. The average londoner has, I’m told, a vocabulary of 1800 words – Shakespeare actually *invented* that number. DNA is another language used for controlling some relations between soul and body. Start working with it *consciously*.

MICHAEL:
Once you have sex, you are into the core channel of someone else’s body, and the soul is watching, waiting to see if the other half of the mirror recognizes itself at that moment.

Correct! No further comment!
What the PUAs don’t see is that they are in some ways fucking themselves. I leave that comment unexplained to see if people are paying any attention…

love to all, NN