Disabled with CFS but too horny to stop losing jing

For one, I’d recommend to stop worrying about masturbating.
You’re probably burning up almost as much energy worrying about
it as you are actually doing it.

Daily masturbation is too much for someone in your situation, but
once or twice a week is not something to get preoccupied on.

To be honest, you are probably using the masturbation as an excuse
for “why you can’t get well”. I mean, it is unrealistic to think
that you are going to just going to stop masturbating and/or
that you’d become a pro at sexual energy conservation techniques
overnight. But by worrying about masturbating, you’ve subconsciously
provided an excuse to yourself why you are not getting over your illness.
As long as you have your attention focused on masturbation as being the
source of the problem, you are unlucky to make any progress.

Instead, I’d suggest focusing your attention on connecting to the energy
of the Earth, since that is what nourishes and rebuilds energy reserves.
Try some of the grounding/rooting practices from QF3&4 to help tap
into the Earth’s reservoir–or even on a lower level, such focus
your attention on the center of the Earth and its nourishing quality.
Learn reverse and counterforce breathing from QF3 to help charge your
battery. You can even do the breathing techniques lying down if needed.
Also consider getting Goji juice; it’s a great kidney builder.

S

>>>Another very typical part is that they are
>>>very critical towards themselves, they have
>>>high expectations, putting themselves under
>>>a lot of pressure

Yes, this is it. A large part of CFS is the result
of burning yourself out with trying to do too much
in life, and trying to live up to impossible
self-standards.

Follow Wendy’s excellent suggestions for dealing with the
emotional component.

S

Hello

I think you have got a lot good advices from the others. Try to digest them. I myself have a burned out condition since almost ten years. I am half way to recovery on a energetic level. The recovery was wery slow and the first two years almost without any success. I have not CFS but a similar condition. With cfs there is a lot allergy and oversensitity to food, which not is a problem for me.

What helped me:

Abdominal breathing with the mind following the air all way from nose to the lungs and continuing to the stomach. Both with in and out breaths.

Inner smile when I was wery tiered. I did it several times a day. It helped me beacase I had realy nothing I could do, I was even to tired to watch TV or to read a daily paper. Or meet people. So when so tiered I could always lie down on the sofa and do inner smile. And even though I was so tiered I learned to feel terifick with the smile.

Listening to relaxing mental training from a tape. There was a one almost like hypnosis that I realy liked.

Acceptance of the situation. It took me one year on the sick list to realise I might not be well. Or it is not a question of when I can start working, but a question if.

I also did work with sexual practises from this system on the site. They can help the problem you feel you have, but they are not possible to do if you not have a teacher and realy go into the whole system. But what the taoists always have said about ejaculation control is that you might ejaculate but how often is dependent of your age. If you are 18 several times a week or everyday might be ok. If ill then perhaps 3-4 times a weak might be ok. When you are 30 and in good chape some times in week ok, if ill be moderate perhaps once a week. And they continue to higher ages and after 60 no ejaculation at all is preferable. I think if you are young around 20 it is ok for you twice a week. If you are around 30 once would be ok, and if older perhaps 2-3 times a mounth. But this is not fixed values you have to be observant on your energy levels. One way is to masturbate and ejaculate and then wait and see how long time it takes in days before you got many night erections and similar signs on full Jing energy. Study this and it might tell you something about the frequency that suits you.

If you can avoid porn that overstimulates and steal much Jing I guess. The thing is that it is just only possible to lose energy thruee ejaculations. I guess excaltation of Jing with porn even without ejacultion also looses Jing, but not shoore just an intuitive feeling.

So be moderate in ejacultions might be good for you but not overly angsious or fanatic about it.

In the book:”The sexual teaching of the jade dragon” by Hsi Lai, there is some herbs and similar you might eat to help streangten your Jing as a male. Jinger and ginseng is good for instance.

If you have deepleted your Jing you might more easily getting wet dreams. It is a sign of deepleted Jing. Also the horniness in a way that you can’t stop masturbation with ejaculation is paradoxically a sign of weak Jing. So if you are able to streangthen it, it migth be easier to keep it. Masturbation often but without ejaculation is a good thing that streangthen it, and even more beeing with a woman and not ejaculate also. But I can’t tell how it works to masturbate or being with a woman and not ejaculate without knowing the sexual practises in taoist yoga and qigong.

If I where you I should buy the book I told you about and do some of the things in it, like what you should eat to have better Jing. But the book in itself and the white tigress system is in itself controversial and difficult to understund and a bit extreme to I guess.

Moderation and not fanatisism is the key to success. Also important might be to ejaculate less in the winter and a litle more in the summer. Winter ejaculations deeplets about 10 times more than summer ones, just to give you a number that gives an idea of what I tell you.

Good luck and which you coming better health.

For the CFS, Have you a good metabolism. Take you temperetures 10 mornings before going up from bed, check the average if under 37 degrees celsius you might have a low metabolism that is common in such a problem as CFS.

S D

Sure do both, great point. This was given by intuition not from my head. Forgiveness and love or acceptance I find healing. We have hurt each other and ourselves it is nice to ask for forgiveness and to give it. Especially to your self. If forgiveness does not work for you thats fine. I do not ask for forgiveness expecting to git it, thats not the point, and is why I say thank you for what ever they are able heal. I ask for forgiveness just as I ask for them to heal them selves. I hope that further clarifies my position.

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You are welcome! QF3 Qigong fundamentals version 3. Michael Winns DVD:s, he whose website this is. They are possble to buy on this site.

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Second, yeah, I guess from the tone of my post, it might sound like I’m worrying, but I think that was just because I’ve been two weeks abstinent and was having a moment of fairly strong craving. Emotionally, I don’t think I’m worrying too much. I’d just hold off a week, then indulge. Then last week, I found the reuniting.info website, where a lot of people have become non-orgasmic, so I was inspired to finally give it up. I really do feel greatly drained afterwards for sometimes several days. It’s not good, and so many acupuncturists have sensed it and told me I MUST stop. It’s time I took their advice. I’ve read the Taoist advice about how often for sick people and winter vs. summer, but I think with my condition, every ejaculation harms the healing process. I saw some very good TCM doctors, and each one said the same thing. They just knew! And in terms of naturopathy, every little stress to the system needs to be cut out. Some patients who weren’t healing only did so once they stopped talking on the phone. Little things like that matter, so big things like regular ejaculation are probably more important. CFS is a unique disease, I think, because it’s a weakening of the adrenal (kidney chi) system. It takes energy to heal, but the body can’t heal if energy is being used up elsewhere, like to detoxify, deal with stress, or rebuild semen. “”””””””””””””””””””””””

I recognise much about what you say from my own condition. The interprataion of you worring migth be from: What I am trying to say is that people migth not know the amount of effort needed to be able to change such a condition you have CFS or somthing similar that I have. This incredible will power neede to change it might sometimes be miss interpreted to other things. Not nessesarily say that was what happened this time, it was just an assocition I’ve got from my own life. And yes it might be so that stopping ejaculation are the right thing for you. But doing so might also be a bad thing, beacase the risk with not having ejaculation is for instance that you might get a energy blocage with your Jing. This will indeed not help you but on the contrary makes things harder. Well there are ways to deal with this and to make it not happen. For instance to massage the testicles might be a good thing. Doing the testickle breathing might be another. Have your acupunturist told you to stop ejacultion completely or to be more moderate? I’m shore it might be of importance. I think even for me. I have my third period just for the moment with 100 days without ejaculation. This time I think I can do it without problem. The bid draw is the key to this.

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Wendy, I think you are very right about anger. Ten years ago, I was already sick for eight years, and I probably wasn’t aware of my anger. Since then I’ve done a lot of spiritual training and soul searching, so I’m aware of it. I’m working on it, but it’s very hard. Any advice on this will be greatly appreciated!
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I think the others have much better advises than me on this one.

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The other part, about being hard on myself… VERY true too! But luckily I have made great progress in that regard, and I believe it is no longer an issue. Took me eighteen years, but I finally did it. CFS was a gift in many ways, not just this one.
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Intersting that so often the emotional pictures in different illnessens so often is the same for the same illness. That thing whit the illness as a gift in many ways I totaly agree with you abuot.

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Dog, your advice is very good too, and I’ve already been doing most of it. I don’t look at porn, and know the power of nature and the earth. I just started doing a similar loving practice (Glenn Morris, Secret Smile), and will incorporate yours. Swedich Dragon, I think the Secret Smile is similar enough to the Inner Smile technique you mention, so I will do it instead, since my Mantak Chia books aren’t currently with me. Wendy, do you think this is the key to breaking the cycle of my anger? I’m at the point where I accept the anger and am okay with it. Now I just have to forgive the others and accept them for who they are, which I already do in my head. My heart is what won’t do it yet, and maybe the loving heart meditations will help that process along?
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I don’t know about the secret smile, but it sounds similar to me.

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Herb-wise, I think I’m doing okay. I used to take Goji (both juice and dried berries) and may do so again. I’ve tried Chinese herbs in the past under many different doctors, and currently, I’m following a naturopathic program.
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In the book I recomended there are several good things about how to increase your Jing. There are special herbs just for this purpose. There are many advises on what to eat and other things you can do to increase your Jing. There are advises that are suited to you and dependent on which penis type you have and which seminal fluid. A good thing for a person with one type of semen migth not be good for another type. There is also exercises massages for the penis that is possible to do I think without an instructor. I have done them and for the moment I go a course with the author to learn them more seriously. The special herbs is so strong in increasing your Jing so you are not allowed to seminal retention while eating them, instead you should ejaculate from time to time, anyway your Jing will increase. So I think this is another approach that possible would do the same thing for you as seminal retention. And I guess without the dangeres.

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Oh, and Swedich Dragon, I already know I have a low metabolism. I used to take my temperature like that when I was working with a natural healing MD (not many of those around!), but it’s always been below normal ever since I was a kid. I took different thyroid hormones for awhile for it, but now I think I just have to heal and balance the general system. The body knows what to do, just needs help. I’ve eliminated most stress, moved to the mountains (Crestone, CO), eat right (Weston Price’s research), take adrenal supplements, pulled out two root canal teeth, etc. Now it’s time to tackle the anger and masturbation jing loss. I also get bored and deplete shen by using the computer too much, but I think as the anger lessens and the love increases, it will be easier to let go of the craving for both masturbation and using the computer. They’re both escapes, but if I’m content to just be, I will no longer need to escape.
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Perhaps you are rigth in your approach without thyroids, but many natural doctors also say that just low metabolism not should be left out untreated, beacase it might hinder the body to heal and to find its rigth way. I am not shore about which is best. I also take adranal supports. I also have a computer issue and is going to take care of my teeth root soon.

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Once again, thanks for the great advice. It’s helped a lot, all of it really, but especially the parts about anger and love. I’d still like advice on redirecting the sexual energy, as I’m really committed to abstinence now. Aren’t there techniques for beginners that don’t require personal instruction from a teacher? I’ll be doing my best based on what I’ve read so far in different books and online, so maybe just tips and pointers? My feeling is that I just have to get the basics down and do the training every day, not just once in awhile. Straight spine. Sink the breath. Control the thoughts. Those are the basics. Then the visualizations can be started which will begin to open the microcosmic orbit channels, which the sexual energy can then go into instead of going down and out.
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Mantak Chias big draw is the method you seek. But such sexual practises migth be wery harmful if not done correct. It might also worsen your emotional problems. Such sexual practises are not realy on a beginners level.

Well anyway. If you want to learn to take the Jing up to the brain and then always down to the tan tien. You need to be shore that your front channel in the micro cosmic orbit are realy open. Beacase you need to be able to take away the Jing in your head beacase otherwise you might get an searious illness. Like psychosis or similar. So if you want to go that way in the future I should recomend you to start do the microcosmic orbit regularly and be shore that the fron channel is realy open before you even start with the big draw techniques. Lern also some rooting with standing qigong like iron shirt from this system or any standing moving form from some other system. So that you learn to be grouded. I myself work on this much in the moment.

There is also a technigue using the million dollar point at the perineum, which is on are lower level practise. But I¨m not realy recomed it beacase there have been people getting problems with it. I have done it just to see if it works and it do, but the method doesn’t feel right to me. Anyway what you do is to press on the million dollar point when you are going to ejaculate and you will not loose sperm and you will not loose as much Jing as you should have without using the point. If using it be shore you use the right point and the exactly rigth spot. Otherwise not good.

S D

Tantra,

I will speak in general since I do not know your particular anger but this might help you along…

Forgiveness is a healing medicine ( I posted about it many many postings below as well)

Since forgiveness comes from the heart, and the heart is fed by the liver, full with anger it is just too hard to expect to be able to forgive someone or something in a deep and healing way. As said above in the postings with Dog, it can be a mental understanding and acceptance and that is a good thing, a start point, but true healing comes from a much deeper place. So since we normally are not able to forgive others from that space the only way to by-pass it is to start with forgiving yourself first. That alone takes many layers and is not finished with one aha.

Since parts of us have been ´´allowing´´ hurt in the past we need to forgive ourself for that, even if it feels completely ridiculous, like when you are a child and felt abused in whatever way by elders, where you were unable to defend yourself because of the power those elders had and you had to submit. THAT is something you have to forgive yourself for. When you start to forgive yourself the anger towards the other starts to change and it might create an opening at some point where you are able to forgive the other too. But it takes cycles of forgiveness, occasionally you might go so deep in this that the cycle is broken at once, a major release. But it is good to have the knowledge that in general it takes more than once to break through. And in general we have stored much more anger than for one person or occassion, because it is pattern we have to come in terms with, so for that reason it makes it so complex to forgive ourself and others. It is change of your deepest patterns, so that is something major.

Since words are important in healing, being a vibration of energy, it is important to choose the right words for you (like my uneasy feeling with words Dog used).

Relax your body and ask yourself, your body what it wants. It can work in different ways, you can just listen and wait, you can ask it more directly if it wants to show parts that need forgiveness, or healing, or attention and allow feelings or images to show itself without judgement. Stay in a loving caring listening state, like a parent listening with love to the story of a child and whatever it says or does, you feel love for it or at least accept its story.

You can start or end with healing sounds in a gentle loving way, thinking, feeling space in your organs, not forcing it but inviting it to come in the open, show interest in your organs, a loving expectation, like you would feel when you meet a lover after a long time.

Maybe this helps and you can try it out,
Have a nice day,
Wendy

The “million dollar point” has been disavowed by Michael
since the original edition of “Taoist Secrets of Love” was
printed.

It has been found to be dangerous practice and is no longer
recommended. It creates too much congestion and internal
pressure in the genitals, and can create both physical
and energetic problems.

S