Different qi types — do you have the same thoughts?

Hello Zoose,

I’m no expert, but let me take a stab . . .

>>>1. When sexual energy is added to compassion energy
>>>my ability to feel the individual organs energy is
>>>greatly reduced. It’s like it all turns to compassion
>>>energy and i have to use effort to have the energies
>>>seperate – when i need to use effort i feel this is
>>>not the right thing to do? But the organ energy can
>>>feel nicer than a compassion/sexual energy mix.
>>>What do you think?

It depends on what you want to feel.
If one thing feels better than another in a given moment,
then that is the right choice, regardless of what the head
says. There are no absolutes. The question is, “what do
you want to experience?”. The answer to this question
is your guide to any internal explorations.

>>>2. When the sexual energy is mixed with
>>>compassion energy (also after kan & li)
>>>it is very high power and all my channels
>>>are pushed open very easily and it is very
>>>easy to have no thought. My body is relaxed
>>>but even though i have no thought my brain
>>>doesn’t feel calm (unlike meditating without
>>>sexual energy where i feel more calm), the
>>>energy is charged up very high power, it feels
>>>reved up even though it’s not thinking (even
>>>during yin phase of sitting in nothingness).
>>>Is this normal to feel reved up?

In my opinion, yes.
Sexual energy is the power of creation, and is like
a natural caffeine–urging you to “create”.
Sitting in nothingness is not creating, so there’s
likely to be some tension.

>>>3. Sexual energy is strange in that
>>>after i ejaculate my energy feels
>>>not as grounded and a little dryer, when i
>>>haven’t intentionally adding sexual energy
>>>to the mix. However if i have or haven’t
>>>ejaculated for some time then i intentionally
>>>add my sexual energy to the mix it feels less
>>>grounded too. It’s like the sexual energy if not
>>>intentionally tapped into has some grounding
>>>abilities, but when it is intentionally used
>>>i become less grounded. Anyone have similar experiences?

Sexual energy, before mobilized, is part of your body
essence–your jing. Being in a body is your connection
to Earth, so removing these stores decreases your anchor.
This is coupled with the “caffeine” effect as in #2.
To decrease ungroundedness effects, root yourself
and mix in/draw up Earth qi when playing with sexual energy.

>>>4. Always i hear about good healers and yogis
>>>that they can generate great heat. I wonder if
>>>heat is really all that great on it’s own or
>>>that they equally generate cold energy too
>>>but i never hear about it. Is hot energy
>>>really superiour to cold energy for healing?
>>>If you put a heat pack on your body it increases
>>>circulation so it could be good in a similar
>>>way to that. What do you think?

In general, it’s harder to regulate heat than it
is to regulate cold. There are four meridians in
the body, not just two, to regulate heat. For
one, your body’s normal operating temperature
is 98.6F, which is usually higher than the
surrounding air temperature–so your body is
constantly doing work to heat yourself. For two,
heat naturally rises up and moreover the brain
naturally draws heat to it, so extra work is
needed to send the heat back down again, e.g.
Triple Warmer. When you put a heat pack on your
body, you are allowing an external source to
do the work of heating you–saving your own
stores, so this creates savings. A person
using heat for healing is doing the same
thing as this external object, but with extra
conscious intention for extra effect. It flows
more rapidly due to its expansive nature. For
all these reasons, heat application/manipulation
will typically have more prevalent applications.
Of course, there are no absolutes. Take a person
that is “overheated” from a variety of reasons . . .
ambient air temperature being 100+, as one example,
and application of cold energy may just be the trick,
but such situations are probably less common overall.

I don’t know if that answers your questions, but at
the very least may give you some food for thought.

Best,
Steven

>>>Hi Steven:
>>>
>>>Welcome back.
>>>
>>>you said “n general, it’s harder to regulate heat than it
>>>is to regulate cold. There are four meridians in
>>>the body, not just two, to regulate heat.”
>>>
>>>what four channels are those?
>>>
>>>gua

Hi bagua:

I was referring to the four fire meridians of the twelve officials,
namely:

1. Heart
2. Small Intestine
3. Pericardium
4. Triple Warmer

You might argue that really only the Triple Warmer regulates heat
(in relation to verticality through the three burners) and/or
to a lesser extent the Pericardium with respect to the membrane
surrounding the heart. I can’t disagree with such an assessment
(or maybe you have a different thought entirely . . . ).

However, since there are four fire meridians and two water
meridians (i.e. 4 > 2), speaking “fast and loose”, one could
argue that “heat requires more work to control than cold”.

Feel free to add your two cents 😉

S

Hi bagua:

Glad to see an expert on board 🙂

>>>Yang organs are yang/heat and are used quite
>>>often to regulate the pairs, but the Yin is
>>>critical in the balance of the two.

Could you clarify?:
By Yang organs, do you mean Heart and Liver vs.
the more Yin Lungs and Kidneys, or by yang organs
do you mean the Yang pairs, such as Small Intestine,
Gallbladder, etc.? The terminology here has always
been slightly confusing to me.

>>>Its interesting the channel most often used
>>>for regulating heat is the Large Intestine/Yang Ming,
>>>not the four mentioned.

Interesting is an understatement, I think.
I find that quite interesting, and quite surprising actually.
Why is that the case? I wouldn’t have suspected it would
be used more than Triple Warmer, let alone used at all!
What is the nature of this Large Intestine meridian?
Please elaborate as your comment is fascinating.

>>>Of course the Du Channel is the Sea of Yang,
>>>Yang includes heat and it is used by many for the purpose.

Du channel is often referred to as “the fire channel”,
although admittedly “the fire” here is not the post-natal
Five-Element Fire. Is there any connection here to your
comment, or is this just a separate issue entirely?

Thanks,
Steven

Hi Steven:

>>>Chinese medicine is a big topic and has many
>>>levels and interactions, its my experience
>>>Qi Gong practitioners study a narrow view
>>>which has its pros and cons.

Big topic is right.

As to the narrow view in Qigong, I guess it
ends up becoming a balancing act. If you
are teaching newcomers, you sort of want
to emphasize *the practice* and not academic
knowledge. One could argue that if you
teach “the right” practices and that if the
students then learn and do them, then
over time everything in the body will
naturally balance itself out, and the need
for Chinese medical knowledge is reduced
to a curiosity. Moreover, in the HT,
the classes usually have so much information
packed into them–both in the form of practices
and in Daoist spiritual theory, that it could be
a bit overwhelming if the body of Chinese medicine
were also included in the curriculum.

On the other hand, all of this information is
good to know though, and can be enlightening for
people who have already been practicing Qigong.

So what is left is a situation where we end up
picking up little bits here and little bits there
as we run into these things on our path.

Could the situation be better? Probably.

>>>I was referring to the yin-yang pairs, SI, GB, BL, LI,
>>>these are Yang organs and their basic function is to
>>>empty, clear and release, so we use them for those
>>>conditions for their own channel/organ and their partners.
>>>Yin organs take in and accumulate.
>>>We can categorize the Yin organs as to which or more
>>>yin or yang, different analysis

OK, thanks!
That clarifies your earlier response quite a bit.

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>>>Its interesting the channel most often used
>>>for regulating heat is the Large Intestine/Yang Ming,
>>>not the four mentioned.
Interesting is an understatement, I think.
I find that quite interesting, and quite surprising actually.
Why is that the case? I wouldn’t have suspected it would
be used more than Triple Warmer, let alone used at all!
What is the nature of this Large Intestine meridian?
Please elaborate as your comment is fascinating.
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This is fundamental knowledge, Large Intestine and Stomach are Yang Ming, which means Bright Yang, Big Yang, heat is Yang, so this treats Yang and Heat.
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Maybe fundamental knowledge in Chinese medicine, but
not in the Healing Tao. I’ve got 500+ hours of live training
at HT workshops plus more in individual study time, and this is
the first I’ve ever heard of this. This is just a demonstration
of some of the disconnect between Daoist spirituality and
Chinese medicine. But then again, did Yi Eng (One Cloud) the
spiritual hermit from which the Seven Formulas of Immortality
descended through M. Chia, did he know any of this either?
Doubtful. He may not have even known “THE POINTS OF THE
MICROCOSMIC ORBIT” that we force people to learn as part of
the HT instructor training, because you don’t need to know
about them to do the actual practice–the pathway is enough.

Fundamental is a dangerous word to use; I’d avoid using it. 😉

>>>Du Channel is the Sea of Yang, the Eight Extras
>>>control the Primary Channels and all the body’s
>>>vital substances and functions, these channels
>>>do influence post natal. The meridian clock actually
>>>flows to the Ren and Du then back to the Lungs to
>>>starts the cycle over, it is saying post natal influence
>>>prenatal and visa versa through many connections.

The meridian clock I know has the 24 hours divided up
into two hour blocks for each of the 12 primary channels.
Gallbladder 11pm-1am, Liver 1am-3am, Lungs 3am-5am, etc.
I don’t recall Governor and Conception Vessels being anywhere
in there. Are you referring to another meridian clock, or is
it just that more complexities are really going on on the clock
than is commonly mentioned in HT circles?

>>>Its a narrow and in my view inaccurate
>>>to think the Du is not involved in post natal.

Well that I didn’t say.

Obviously, Du is involved in post-natal, as it used as
one-half of the Microcosmic Orbit, and helps balance
post-natal influences in the body. This I already knew.

Basically the answer to my question was that the reference
I made was a different issue entirely.

But if I understand you correctly, in a nutshell the issue
is that the Thrusting Channel divides as a neutral axis into
Yin and Yang, and the Governor is the Yang channel, and
it’s the Yang that is the Heat connection. Right?

>>>Du 14 is a major point for releasing heat from any source
>>>in the body, as all yang channels cross there.

That’s good information to know. Thanks for sharing.

Best to you my friend,
Steven

>>>I would suggest instructors emphasis
>>>they are learning a basic knowledge
>>>and there are more models and channels
>>>and applications, to be clear about this
>>>so if they come across other views they
>>>will be open to them, not closed and rigid.

Yes, I think openness is key to true understanding . . .

>>>I would not assume what One Cloud might have known

I don’t. I was presenting a hypothetical.

The point is that you can do spiritual practices, say
qigong and meditation, without knowing much academic
Chinese medical knowledge.

And moreover such a lack does not impede spiritual awakening,
or spiritual progression.

It’s like the expert Electrical Engineer who knows enough
math to do his job, but is not an expert on math.

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Fundamental is a dangerous word to use; I’d avoid using it. 😉
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You will find the six stages, tai yang, yang ming, shao yang, tai yin, shao yin and jue yin in the basic and first book one reads in their first quarter of school, from that view I call it fundamental.

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Maybe. But it’s not fundamental to the Healing Tao.
That’s my point. “Fundamental” is a word that
is specific to a particular environment.

In terms of mathematics, any mathematics lower than
THIRD SEMESTER CALCULUS is completely fundamental also.
But is it fundamental to you? 🙂

It pays to be humble. You know what I mean 😉

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The meridian clock I know has the 24 hours divided up
into two hour blocks for each of the 12 primary channels.
Gallbladder 11pm-1am, Liver 1am-3am, Lungs 3am-5am, etc.
I don’t recall Governor and Conception Vessels being anywhere
in there. Are you referring to another meridian clock, or is
it just that more complexities are really going on on the clock
than is commonly mentioned in HT circles?
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Read chapter 16 in the Ling Shu Nei Jing, its called the Nourishing Qi Cycle which shows the order of the channels, no times related to them, later called Daily Clock, you will find this connection to ren and du, why it is not common, dont know, you now know my friend. Its implications are profound, meaning post natal can influence prenatal.
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I’ll have to keep this in mind. Thanks for sharing!

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Du controls all Yang, channels, Yuan Qi, Qi, Wei Qi, Heat Wind, activity,the future, etc. It influence post natal in how they are all expressed in our life. Du can create imbalances too.

Thrusting/Chong creates all eight extra channels. Du controls yang and heat is part of yang, we can use du to clear the heat, yang is also superficial area of body, in controls that too, but we use clearing methods.

The San Jiao is unique, it takes Yuan Qi from deep in the body and brings to the back shu and front mu points then to the channels, it has a strong force of taking things deep and moves them outward. If one activates the san jiao it can take latent things buried for our protection and bring them out, if this is not our intention it can be traumatic.

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Well, I appreciate all of your insights.
You have a wealth of knowledge, and I’m glad you’re willing to share.

Hope you can take some of my jabs in stride 🙂

Thanks again,
Steven

Hi Louis:

There is a range of balance, whether it be temperature or level of Qi on the body. If one has too much heat in the du or on the back its probably from an internal imbalance or too much qi in that area, its not a signal of balance in general, unless one is doing something consciously to bring more yang there.

Being Yin can mean alot of things, can mean relaxed, calm, open, etc., not just cold.

Doing the healing sounds moves Qi out of the organ and channel and in the rest period we fill the organ and channel, as the two are inseparable.

You mention “Yin state of nothingness”, for me I dont view Yin state as nothing, there is no such thing as nothing, its being to level or another free from your thoughts, thinking, intellectual activity.

I think there is a time to move Qi throughout all channels, specific channels and just allow Qi to go wherever it wants to, the body has its innate intelligence.

regards,

gua

My own thought is that the Du Mai is a yang channel – we put yin energy (sexual & earth) through it and though the Ren Mai is a yin channel we put yang energy (cosmic & universal) through it, and the concept is that without these opposite energies in the channels the Du Mai will become burnt out and the Ren Mai will become stagnant. Then it seems that the goal to make the meridians on the front half of the body the same temperature (or yin/yang balance) as those on the back half of the body. But then confusingly i hear things that people feel lots of heat on the back half of their body, but if you were more relaxed wouldn’t your body become hot all over, balanced front and back?

I’ve read in one of the HT books somewhere that it’s good to be Yin so you don’t get cold in winter. But if yin is cool energy how can it make you warm in winter? 😛 Does it mean more not to have a very muscular body or work excessively where your yin is used for these purposes rather than being stored within your core ready to give you some fuel for heat?

I’ve never purposely concentrated qi down any specific organ meridians, only the Du Mai, Ren Mai, Thrusting, Belt, Bridge & Regulator channels. In my yin phase of nothingness i feel my whole body full with qi and 100’s of chanels especially in my head where it feels like a 3D spiders web of energy. I wonder if there is any benefit of concentrating qi down specific organ meridians or is it best to just let the energy flow and just be aware of it?

Thanks in advance!

Louis.