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I think what we are all looking for is a way out of our own pain, and that is all self-inflicted by our judgments against ourselves and others. Judgment is the killer of humanity’s truest instinct – the instinct to love and nurture. Forgiveness implies letting go of something as if it didn’t happen so as to reconnect with the course of natural love that wants to be flowing all the time. But “miss-takes” are usually punished instead because people fear their own self-judgments and self-inflicted guilt. We make scapegoats of projection and blame others in order not to have to feel what we really feel about ourselves. The hardest thing to do as a human is to stop projecting what we don’t like about ourselves on others and then try to do something about the so-called wrongs of the world. That is how the world actually is an illusion – we cast it on ourselves like a trance and then act quite insanely.
The only way out of our pain is to stay in touch with how we feel before we condemn because when that starts to come up from our conditioned thinking it feels wretched and that feeling is the warning indicator to tell us we are about to choose something other than love. It’s either love or fear, unity or separation. The world is the evidence of the choice to judge, condemn, punish and suffer. It is up to all us folks who choose to follow the Natural (meaning “in-born”) Way to return to love as the only means of correcting our world’s situation. Love unites. Thinking and judging divide. Love provides answers. Thinking invents problems.
BTW- I have two daughters, 16 and 32.
Love you,
Alexander…the loving feminine, as always. A little Isis, a little Sekhmet. (happily smiling)
I never heard of spirits incarnating on Earth being greeted by a Welcome Sign: Incarnate Here Safely! All Souls Protected by Rules Against Stupid Use of Free Will.
Actually, Michael, there is a sign on the road into Ashland here that says that almost word-for-word. This is a very high level town! (smiling and laughing)
to me, this is abominable, worthy of death…
Yikes, ribo7! Yikes! Take a deep breath. Have a beer. Do something before you explode and take out innocent bystanders all around you. (smiling, smiling)
without the DNA test, no one even knew whose child it was!!!!
this is the whole crux of morals and politics… what do you do when you don’t even know whose child it is…
The first answer is: “So what?”
The second answer is: “Wouldn’t you love the child just as much either way?”
The third answer is: “Wouldn’t you love everyone involved because they are a part of yourSelf and are going through their process to completion just like you are?”
The fourth answer is: “Can you have compassion for what you see in them that you fear is part of you?”
I’ll bet you didn’t think it would get this complex, did you? Yikes! (smiling again)
Loving all of us,
Alexander
(a little Isis, a little Sekhmet)Hi Steven,
I really do appreciate you insistent probing and your willingness to find truth. And I am not at all frustrated with this inquiry and I absolutely understand what you are saying. It is clear. And the answer to your question is Yes, there is more. Yes, it is happening for a purpose. But that purpose cannot be realized unless the process of embodiment is complete and that happens when identification with the body/mind is over.
There is more to be said here but I do not want to write more now. Please rest your head now and let all worry go about whether or not you will survive your own death.
Later Bro
AlexanderSteven, et al- I thought I’d put this out as it came to me yesterday in the meditation circle I attend on Sunday mornings. These were read by the woman who holds these circles…
“I once believed that the most important task in life was to explain its mysteries. Everything had answers if we could just ask the right questions. That was what I believed until I met BIll Dalton, an old Hopi medicine man whose Indian name was Soloho. He taught me that not every question has an answer and that the lack of an answer does not meant the question was not important to ask. Shortly before his death, Soloho asked me a final riddle. ‘What happens to the light after it becomes dark?” For one of the very few times, he answered the riddle. He said, ‘The darkness becomes its own light.’ ”
-Healing Ceremonies, Carl Hammerschlag, MD and Howard Silverman, MD
Oh great mystery,
dark shining holy one,
let me ride the questions of my heart as the leaves ride the wind in the trees,
seeking nothing but to move with your breath of life
as it whispers through my being,
calling me who kows where.
It is so hard to live without answers…
Cracked earth longing for rain, I search the sky for moisture
and wait for the wet, healing drops of your response.
Help me to trust the shifting realities of light and dark,
the breath of what is.
Help me to put my trust in mystery.-Dorothy Mason, April Module, 2002
As for the rest of this conversation, I am sitting with it all for now.
In the Mystery,
AlexanderHi Steven, Thanks for asking the question in the first place.
#1
but ignoring signs along the way is a mistake.
The underlying belief here is that you will be unsafe if you do not do something to stay safe. The song means be at peace in the dream for the best results, not ignore reality. It means don’t believe in the things in the dream (the things you think up) because those meanings create experiences other than the sense of peace and oneness that comes from the heart-mind.
#2
The question of “are these practices dangerous” and/or
“are these practices really *effective* for health” are concrete ones that
don’t have anything to do with “understanding the self”.I am not talking about “understanding” the self. My stuff is not philosophy, it’s alchemy. It is the mind which “understands” things. A mental understanding of sex is not sex. I am talking about being it. What underlies everything is that.
Your mind seems to be trained to disregard information which does not give you the kind of answer you think you should have. You think I misunderstood your question because the answer I gave you doesn’t fit what you want to hear and you shun it or sequester it to the realm of “interest”. (Like a doctor who sees a miracle and has to call it a “spontaneous remission” because he can’t get his mind around it.) What you seem to want to hear is a mental response that you can think about and use, and I am saying that’s completely unneccesary and, actually, a distraction.
The real answer is not there. It appears when you stop strategizing and surrender your egoic sense of self to be in alignment with your Presence which is the true self. (Ego is an idea of what I am. Presence is what I am. Ego thinks. Presence is.)
Mind as a means of coping with universal life forces is subject to failure because it can only reach into the past, its memory, for answers about a future which isn’t present and that’s it’s imagining. So this all reduces down to: Does one want to know/be oneself or does one want to think about it and hunt for it and always be in a drama?
Heart-mind is spirit and person in open communication as the oneness they really are. Thought mind is the act of not seeing reality for what it is but from having projected all kinds of stuff from preferences, beliefs and opinions onto everything so I’m just seeing reflections of my own thoughts about life rather than truth. Truth is visible when I don’t project. It’s always there when I am still.
When you ask a question like “How come they died?” you are asking what they were victimized by. They weren’t victimized. To try to find out what killed them is to try to protect yourself from something -like dying from alchemy. There is an inherent distrust of the process of life in a question like this. The life force knows what it’s doing. It has the whole picture in mind. From down here, we see little of what’s really going on and from the ego’s standpoint, that is unacceptable. From the point of view of “the ideal Realizing Person” it’s all in divine order and there is trust in that. Most of what happens I must be comfortable with not understanding. And even beyond that, releasing all meaning, what I think I know about things, releases the true self from the bondage of the thinking/believing mind. My awareness, freed from the constraints of my mind is free to give me guidance that is free from fear and always is right. It is our actual beliefs about things that keep us from being free.
What I do when a question comes to mind is to ask that the answer be provided if I need to have one.
And I ask the life force to do everything, like to guide all my “practices”, in the highest good of all so the matter is taken completely out of my personal hands and if I need to know or do something, it will come to me. I find this has created miracles in my life. It’s a matter of trust.
#3
I’ve also heard that belief in the HT, that
when you die, if you have not lived long enough to
do all of the internal alchemy techniques to integrate,
then your shen scatter after death.The shen team form your “self”, and thus while the
shen live on (possibly forming new teams to reincarnate),
you do NOT live on . . . because “you” is only defined
by the assemblage of the team that no longer exists.In other words, you cease to be and are recycled.
Of course, this is up for debate. : -)
What I experience is that I Am and that that is the real “me”, not an ego structure made up of beliefs and attachments. My awareness is the real me and it’s divine and not subject to death. The personality I use down here is a temporary vehicle for the expression of spirit. That will not last. And if I think I am that, I will definitely be frightened to death of death.
Finally, Jeffrey Yuen: What really becomes immortal is the love you create.
Since love is our true nature, there’s nothing to worry about.
Love,
AlexanderHi Steven,
I didn’t take it personally. I was referring to the aspect of you that is making the demand as not being receptive.
That voice is not You and it cannot be answered. Voices like that are a part of ego that feels separated from source and is trying to use mind to get free by controlling things. It is the mind inside itself doing the game of “I can’t get out!” You are not the mind you have.
What catches my attention about your original question, and what you say that follows, is the insistence of trying to use the mind to find out what life is all about and in the process missing the wisdom of Julian’s video message. I say you missed it because it seems to me that the tone of your response to him about it suggested that not being mental (controlling, in this case) was being irresponsible. It is actually letting go of that that will provide the answer you really want. (Which is what Bagua is trying to convey to you in his beautiful messages.)
In my experience, my questions do not get answered the way I insist they be – with words and in a way I can “use” them to control/change/understand a situation to my liking. This is not what our lives are about. Ultimately, things change to harmony by releasing control in any of its subtle forms. It is the ego/mind trying to stay in charge that has produced most of our responses to things and, as such, has turned, for instance, science into profit-making technology.
We are not actually doing any of this healing. That’s the perspective of the ego in separation. Healing, itself, is not even actually occurring because there is no separation to begin with that could manifest as a problem needing to be healed. That’s why this reality is often referred to as an illusion. It’s actually a de-lusion to see the world this way.
We are remembering that we are part of the Oneness which knows itself to be complete. When we identify with our minds or other “things” we are choosing to forget what we are (Bagua’s point too) and pretending that we are victims of the world around us and need something. “Returning” in Daoism means returning to our original knowing of what we are thus neutralizing all the distractions and struggles emanating from our ego-centered thoughts.
So my real point here is to notice that:
a- You are not your thinking or even the thinker -the one who is asking the questions.
b- You don’t need to know what you are trying to find out in order to actually bring about positive change
c- Bagua’s original point about trusting is where it’s at:But is can be your intellect or yi in fear that its days of delusion are over.
And here, where he says in his last post:
Our attachment to everything but our true nature lead to many questions and concerns, they are rooted in a false attachment to what we are not. Knowing our essential nature will cause most of these questions/concerns to dissolve, the underlying mechanism is not longer viewed as valid.
…I suggest trying to practice Nei Gong without to much theory for a period, just do the practices and allow the integration of you and the cosmos to mingle and in this process you will know who you are and most of your questions will be answered, and you will giggle to your self.
Is this coming through?
Best,
AI’ve actually asked this question TWICE now on this forum,
and no one seems to have an answer!!!Such a demanding voice, Steven! You think you will hear anything when you scream like that?
I agree with Bagua completely.
Love, A
Hasim, It sounds like nature is moving your body spontaneously. This is what you want to happen. Chi gung is for developing our relationship with life force. It speaks through us.
I am a big proponent of not thinking too much about how it should happen but rather allowing and enjoying it. Often, the thinking from the head obstructs what life is doing with us. Trust it. Stay with the feeling.
A
