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Just because there is judging Qi around, still keep it constructive but also would be nice to reflect on the things that those judgments arise from at the risk of repeatimg myself lets talk more about this…

Micheal says All secrets will come out eventually…very opinionable, but that’s what we like to believe and what they like us to believe maybe… anyway even if the outer form of them come out who will achieve them? Micheal point out that the formulas are in the texts, yes the drawing and descriptions, but with the descriptions also come the description of the expected results, that NO ONE in the HT or UT has achieved, it prooves the point that the formulas are made up, because anyone that read chinese can then be a master and teach them simply making up their supposed meaning based on some side notes to the text, point is they would not work because there is much more behind the drawing.

Let us remember that Chia started out teaching immortal practices to create a real solid, visibe foetus and immortal body.

In the back of his books it described the amazing levels you could achieve by practicing, he describe at the level of lesser Kan li your body would shrink and then dissolve in to rainbow and then you would live only nails…and then daylight ascension… and more, that you could project your foetus and everybody could see it because it was solid, he even use to tell his dream was to ascend in daylight in front of Tv wroldwide! hey those were the Hey Days… i like many others were in the classes, i even got some of those magic moments on tape!

Did anyone in the HT and UT actually achieved anything like this??? this were the ORIGINAL PROMISES and PURPOSES lets not forget it.

Is it or is it not true that because of failure of this dream Chia himself, Winn, Ron, Gunther, Juan Li, Navarro, and all the old dogs at first kept searching out of the system that did not fulfilled their dreams and eventually seems like they gave it up, and now when someone is trying to rekindle the flame of a hope is bashed as Kung Fu novels.

What if the dream is real? what if Sean and many of David Students have seen is real did they all Hallucinated do they all have issues???

Is everybody too afraid to dream the dream again??? wouldn’t be worthy to pay for it?? and don’t you think that 20 years of HT costed you more even if just in term of the precious time and Dream-energy you put in to it??? what if with lets say 10.000 you could actually achieve what originally those prctices were intended for and witness someone who did achieve it???

Again just food for tought i think would be nice to work together and be more open to certain possibilities, and admit that it is Daoism we speak about, where achievement of concrete results count.

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I just found out i have been censored and a significant intelligent and not offensive letter was just deleted because it offered some points of reflection on some disturbing truths micheal??? i would like to see that letter back in the open if the tao is so exceptionally broad let people thik with their head. thanks
i can of course post it again but im sleepy, been up all night following the forum:) so please indulge us.

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Micheal says All secrets will come out eventually…very opinionable, but that’s what we like to believe and what they like us to believe maybe… anyway even if the outer form of them come out who will achieve them? Micheal point out that the formulas are in the texts, yes the drawing and descriptions, but with the descriptions also come the description of the expected results, that NO ONE in the HT or UT has achieved, it prooves the point that the formulas are made up because anyone that read chinese can then be a masetr and teach them, point is they would not work because there is much more behind the drawing.

Let us remember that Chia started out teaching immortal practices to create a real solid, visibe foetus and immortal body.

In the back of his books it described the amazing levels you could achieve by practicing, he describe at the level of lesser Kan li your body would shrink and then dissolve in to rainbow and then you would live only nails…and then daylight ascension… and more, that you could project your foetus and everybody could see it because it was solid, he even use to tell his dream was to ascend in daylight in front of Tv wroldwide! hey those were the Hey Days… i like many others were in the classes, i even got some of those magic moments on tape!

Did anyone in the HT and UT actually achieved anything like this??? this were the ORIGINAL PROMISES and PURPOSES lets not forget it.

Is it or it is not true that because of failure of this dream Chia himself, Winn, Ron, Gunther, Juan Li, Navarro, and all the old dogs at first kept searching out of the system that did not fulfilled their dreams and eventually seems like they gave it up, and now when someone is trying to rekindle the flame of a hope is bashed as Kung Fu novels.

What if the dream is real? what if Sean and many of David Students have seen is real did they all Hallucinated do they all have issues???

Is everybody too afraid to dream the dream again??? wouldn’t be worthy to pay for it?? and don’t you think that 20 years of HT costed you more even if just in term of the precious time and Dream-energy you put in to it??? what if with lets say 10.000 you could actually achieve what originally those prctices were intended for and witness someone who did achieve it???

Again just food for tought i think would be nice to work together and be more open to certain possibilities, and admit that it is Daoism we speak about, where achievement of concrete results count.

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….Lao Kang Wen is a good man not any sort of highly achieved dude, met him in TG pissed off becuase Chia taught as usual stealing what is not his and deforming it to better sell to the crowd:-)

it is NOT the same person the guys met in Bangkok at All!…
all the rest well are prsonal opinions like it or not believe it or not… just food for toughts…

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One more cool letter from Mr Deanty…i mean this is it not more bullshit want the real deal!!!

….If you do have an interest in learning these arts, I would invite you to email me personally. Please send me an email even if you have already contacted me; in the subject line of your email just write “FOUNDATION” in caps. In the email please write your full name and nothing more. Please, no further comments or questions; save those for David. You will have plenty of opportunities to ask David deeper questions than I can give answer to. One caution, David is not interested in humoring idle curiousity; think seriously about wether you are truly interested to learn more about this training before you email me. Are you really ready to change your life style at this time? If not, then please don’t waste your time. Here’s my email: seandenty@hotmail.com Please don’t PM me. You need to use my direct email as I won’t be checking back to the forum any time soon unless David asks me to.

What follows is a personal account of my recent trip to Asia that I shared with some fellow students. This particular letter focuses in on my experience with two masters I met who are in the Lei Shan Dao, thunder path lineage. Like John Chang or Dijang, whichever you prefer, they displayed abilities beyond the scope of mainstream reality, including telekinesis, pyrogenesis, alteration of fluids and matter (alchemy), manifestation of spiritual light and sounds and other incredible things. They are both amazing people too. Please note that I hold both these men in the highest esteem and personal attacks would be very hurtful. It’s easy to say hurtful things when you’re looking in from the outside, but both these men deserve your respect even if you are only reading about them.

To protect their privacy, I have not used there actual names.

Sherfu J, the master that recently accepted David as a family student, has trained over thirty students to the so called level four and above. Apparently this is usually accomplished in only a few years with the training that he gives. When you compare that to the fact that the head of Mo Pai, John Chang has brought no students to this level in thirty years, it’s easy to see that the Mo Pai system is a much more raw and unrefined technique. Despite Sherfu Chang’s immense power, he is one of the highest masters of the Lei Shan Dao alive; he hasn’t been successful in his teaching, in part because he never intended to do so. In all this time, he has only truly accepted two students as real family, both Chinese.

The practice David teaches is the same one taught by Wang Li Ping. It’s also used as a foundation practice for the Lei Shan Dao and has been taught in its current form for many thousands of years, unchanged. It is the practice that enables one to create the Dan, the true elixir of alchemy, so treasured by the masters. Without this foundation, qigong cannot take place in the body-mind. David also teaches the neikung of the Lei Shan Dao. This is an invitation to sincere seekers to learn this training and go beyond it as well.

Here’s my letter:

“Okay here is a taste of what I experienced. Jordon’s description of Sherfu L was very accurate and my experience was very similar. I can actually still feel where he touched the top of my head and my mid eye point when I practice, so I think there was something to what David said about the empowerment he gave helping us with the practice. L’s treatment was more of an empowerment I would say, as opposed to a healing or diagnosis which a better descriptor for Sherfu J’s treatment; I’m sure that both masters probably do both. When L touches the top of your head with his qi, you literally see a light like a Forth of July sparkler. You don’t see with your visual center, but, at least it seemed this way to me, you see it with your mind or perceive it with your mind; it’s still very physical and bright. Also the music he played while he was treating me was really interesting; some kind of chanting like nothing I’ve ever heard. It really stuck with me. During the treatment, as L worked on various points around my body, my muscles would contract so strongly that I couldn’t keep my hands held together in the position he had me hold no matter how much I resisted. After when we meditated at L’s house, I felt a steady pressure on the bai hui point and it felt like my whole body had been pressurized with qi.

Sherfu L was also a very gracious host. He offered us a great deal of very strong Chinese tea and said some blessings for us. He’s very devoted to Kuan Yin the Goddess. After we left, I could still feel a bit of a buzz and felt very calm. Even a few nights after, I could feel his energy or the effects of his energy on many of the points he worked on; especially the upper points. I still feel the effects of his treatment as some areas have been permanently activated. L is also a martial artist and has done a lot of work with the military if I remember correctly. He looks it too with short cropped hair and definitely an athlete. The guy was very gentle, but there were a few pictures of him on the wall doing some hardcore kung fu; the guy could probably kill you with his pinky. According to David he teaches a technique where you gradually learn to absorb higher and higher voltages of electricity from a wall socket or a generator directly into your body to boost your power. I guess when you get really good you can absorb energy directly from the environment; you just suck it in to body. David said these students learn to absorb over 200 volts or something like that. Anyway, it’s enough to kill you quick; pretty amazing.

Sherfu J was totally different. Where L is very modest in the way he lives, very simple and in a modest area of town, J is a little more… well let’s just say he likes nice things. When we met him for the first time, he was wearing a bright red basketball jersey and matching shorts with some sporty flip flops. He had a big smile on his face and came out to greet us very warmly. His home is very nice, with marble flooring, big overstuffed leather coaches and a giant big screen TV. Actually in the setting we were in, I found it quite tasteful. From what I gathered, when you’re in Sherfu’s town, you really get taken care of and he entertains a great deal. After the second day I realized that the material luxuries are most likely really for the people who come to visit and that Sherfu and everything about him is about taking care of other people. From my short stay with him, I really feel I’ve met one of the most amazing people I may ever meet. From what I’m told, He spends most of his time doing charity work and helping people during our stay he fed us and paid for our accommodations and seemed to be very concerned with our comfort and really went out of his way to make sure we were doing well during our stay. And the food was really amazing.

The day after the ceremony, which was also quite an experience, Sherfu came to visit our hotel a few blocks from his home and began treating us one after the other. He would have each person sit in front of him with their feet on a wet towel. Then his assistant would come over and ground your feet by pressing the main energy point firmly and passing his qi into the sole of the foot. Then J would activate his qi by concentrating and doing a short breathing exercise while he pushed the qi into his hands by pressing them into the air in front of him a couple times. After he’s done this he asks the person to stand and holds their hand while he directs the qi into their body by pushing his other hand along the length of his arm and then into the body. When he “injects” you with his chi, the muscles in your arm gently, but irresistibly contract as his qi courses into your body. His qi is more like a steady magnetic force that produces a strong gentle current wherever he moves it in your body. At this point he relaxes and begins systematically touching various points on that side of your body. He touched different points on different people and each time the corresponding part of the body would gently and suddenly contract. When he was done checking a given side of your body, he would use this same technique of guiding the qi to pull his qi back into his arm. This was very interesting to watch. After he checked each person he would give a detailed report through the translator about the condition of each persons health and status of their over all energy and issue a clean bill of health or advise further treatment.

Sherfu recommended further treatment for several people in our group, including myself, later that day. The healings and treatments he administered that afternoon were probably the most remarkable and amazing things I have witnessed in my life up to this point. I will certainly never forget what I saw and what I went through. The only thing I can compare it to is watching my son’s birth.

It wouldn’t be appropriate to share what others in the group went through in terms of their treatment, but I can tell you about my experience. I’m sharing this because, if I were you I’d want to hear it and hopefully it’s worth telling. Anyway after a big lunch at Sherfu’s house, I was asked to stay behind with the translator and some of Sherfu’s students. Three weeks earlier Sherfu L found an imbalance in my kidneys. He didn’t make much of it, but suggested I take some herbs which he prepared the following day and said that he felt the imbalance was due to improper qigong practice. Perhaps he planted a seed in me; I don’t know, but I had some experiences in the weeks after and something told me to go to China even though I didn’t really have the money. As a side, David said that many people who practice the Healing Dao methods end up with this type of imbalance. In any case, on the morning that Sherfu J tested us, as he passed his qi into my left side the qi began to pulse, stopping and starting in a kind of rhythm as my arm contracted and released. He said that I had a fairly serious blockage in my kidney area and would need to draw some of the stagnant blood out and prepare some special herbal pills. One of the members of our group had been through something very similar and having shared their story, prepared me to some degree for what I was about to experience. That afternoon Sherfu had me stand on his porch as he lanced the veins in the back of both my knees with a prong the size of a knitting needle what seemed like at least a half inch into the flesh. After he got the blood flowing he used his qi to push the affected blood out of my body. What came out of me was about a half pint of what looked like roof tar. It was literally black and thick like a paste. Sherfu said that if I hadn’t come to him, I would have been quite possibly hit with a stroke within the year. After the treatment I actually felt really good. I was given several large herbal “pills” to clear anything that was left in my system. According to Sherfu, because of the properties of the type of medicine that I was given, I will never have to worry about this problem again and will be able to reach my optimal health. I guess these pills have a lot of qi and are a specialty of this lineage. I have to say, I really have been feeling good since I’ve been back. The Translator who was with me told me that when he met Sherfu he was completely paralyzed in his left arm and couldn’t turn his neck at all. Apparently he had the same kind of blockage or blood condition as me, but more advanced; he said that he was totally cured within two years of meeting Sherfu J.

In addition to the treatments I experienced and witnessed, Sherfu and his student, the translator, demonstrated there ability to transform water into this sweet nectar with their qi. Some people in the group had asked David if they could see this particular demo, so David politely requested for the group. Basically Sherfu just took a bottle of ordinary water and let everyone have a taste. Then he set the water on the table and pushes some qi into it for a minute or two. When he’s done we all got to taste it; it’s like sweet honey, but not like any kind of recognizable sweet taste. His student did the same demo later that night. It was really amazing and, at the same time, just very matter of fact and done with out any preparation. I’m told Sherfu’s favorite demo is to take a nice steak in his palm, crack an egg on it and fry it to a perfect medium rare right in his hand. Pretty freaking slick.

We also got to see a woman demo her yin yang gong by giving David a jolt of qi. The women in our group were very inspired to see a woman, who had two children no less, who had achieved this power.

The next morning at 6am, Sherfu called me back to his house and gave me several weeks worth of some more common herbs to take as a tonic and asked me to come back when I had an opportunity to do so. He was very kind and wished me well as I left that morning. Because I had to catch a connecting flight that afternoon in Shanghai, Sherfu arranged an 8 hour taxi ride through the Chinese countryside which was a great way to end my trip.

I hope all of you who have a desire to go, get to have this kind of experience (of course I hope you are healthy) and I hope all of us are able to train and learn these arts eventually. That’s my story.”

So, it’s been nice chatting with you. May God be with you always and may you all know true happiness. Good bye.

Sean

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cut the letter short same link of thetaobums or wongkiewkit….Before meeting David I researched all the topics about him on the internet. I read about all the dirt just like you are doing. So of course I was a little worried. Well when I met David and saw how normal he was and when the retreat actually started I felt a lot better as I felt responsible for everyone signing up for the retreat. David even laughed about some of the things that are written about himself on the internet.

We met with David in Thailand and the first two days he took us to see Sifu L. Sifu L touched different points like the Bai Hui, Dan Tien, and third eye in order to help us with our meditation and the upcoming Foundation Training. What was incredible was the electricity that came out of his fingers. It was almost like sticking your finger in an electrical outlet. To me that experience made the whole trip worth it. I still feel the point on the Bai Hui where Sifu L had touched when I think about it.

I must say that David is very connected to several Masters. At the time we had met he said he had met 8 Yin Yang Gong Masters and two of them were women. I guess that number is larger now that
he is initiated by Sifu J as a family disciple. During the retreat I heard David speaking with Sifu John Chang on the telephone. A girl at our retreat mentioned that David had taken a group of them to meet with Sifu Chang the previous December. I also spoke with David about Wang Liping. David had told us that he was a personal teacher of Wang Liping. I asked David how he communicated with him and David said by telephone and he showed me his telephone where he had Wang Liping’s phone number listed.

After the Foundation Training David invited us all to go with him to China to see his wife and himself initiated as family disciples of Sifu J who is a Yin Yang Gong Master. He is part of a lineage that we call Lei Shen Dao or Thunder and Lightning path. Sean was the only one that had the money or time to go. So we all waited for his trip report.

I would recommend studying with David if you actually want to start training in this type of meditation (Thunder and Lightening Path) and want to have the opportunity to meet with genuine Masters as opposed to just talking about it.

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