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I guess I could have mixed up something. It`s a very “cruel” punishment though. Worse than death IMO.

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I though that the middle tan tien isn`t in the solar plexus and that it isn`t the physical heart. For me it is located (or is pierced by, don`t know how to say it) on the central column (forgot other name, if there is one lol), like other two tan tiens. Each one is on top of the other in a straight line, with the middle being in the area of the heart, but not the physical heart itself.
That`s at least my understanding….

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that thing where if one them breaks some important rule (sin), they all turn away from him… Letting him stay in the community but not letting anyone talk to him ever again or something like that?
Or was that some other community?

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“Mat, are you there or are you just an illusion”, *How about if I said to you, Nnonnth, do you wave a little magic wand that you wave casting spells?”

I`m sorry, but I have to admit that I laughed when I read both of these. 🙂

Here`s a story that is awesome to me, the first time I read it I was like I got enlightened for a moment hehe, laughed pretty hard. It still brings a smile to my face every time I read it.

Meeting of two Masters

The teachers, seventy-year-old Kalu Rinpoche of Tibet, a veteran of years of solitary retreat, and the Zen master Seung Sahn, the first Korean Zen master to teach in the United States, were to test each other’s understanding of the Buddha’s teachings for the benefit of the onlooking Western students. This was to be a high form of what was being called dharma combat (the clashing of great minds sharpened by years of study and meditation), and we were waiting with all the anticipation that such a historic encounter deserved. The two monks entered with swirling robes — maroon and yellow for the Tibetan, austere grey and black for the Korean — and were followed by retinues of younger monks and translators with shaven heads.

They settled onto cushions in the familiar cross-legged positions, and the host made it clear that the younger Zen master was to begin. The Tibetan lama sat very still, fingering a wooden rosary ( mala) with one hand while murmuring, “Om mani padme hum” continuously under his breath.

The Zen master, who was already gaining renown for his method of hurling questions at his students until they were forced to admit their ignorance and then bellowing, “Keep that don’t know mind!” at them, reached deep inside his robes and drew out an orange. “What is this?” he demanded of the lama. “What is this?” This was a typical opening question, and we could feel him ready to pounce on whatever response he was given.

The Tibetan sat quietly fingering his mala and made no move to respond.

“What is this?” the Zen master insisted, holding the orange up to the Tibetan’s nose.

Kalu Rinpoche bent very slowly to the Tibetan monk near to him who was serving as the translator, and they whispered back and forth for several minutes. Finally the translator addressed the room: “Rinpoche says, ‘What is the matter with him? Don’t they have oranges where he comes from?”

The dialog progressed no further.

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BTW, has any of you guys read any buddhist (or other religions) jokes? Some are just amazingly funny… 🙂

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Personally, I like reading your posts and opinions (and everyone elses) even if I don`t agree with them. If nothing else it broadens my horizons a bit and gives me food for thought.

“*Bagua and others like Max, agree that the ego stands in the way of our true nature and so something must be done about it. You can call it forgotten, eradicated, as Bagua says giving it a healthy role, stilled, etc. We do not agree with Michael, just ask them. If Michael agreed with Bagua and Max, for example, then he would commence Buddhist meditation at once.”

I still don`t get why you would eradicate the ego… In one of Slavninski`s books it says something like “Ego is powerful servant, and a terrifying master”. It may stand in the way, but I don`t believe the right thing to do is to destroy it.

“*One-pointedness is the method of practice, the state of mind is the result. Michael, and apparently others, find this method of practice to be a “loss of free will”.”

I don`t see how if you are one pointed there would be loss of free will. I think that it would only enable to express my will better, more efficiently or whatever.

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“Hi Michael,

We set the limits and choose what we want to believe and follow. If you have to filter Cleary’s translations because they don’t fit your view, it’s your free will to do so. 🙂 The expression “spiritual prison” wasn’t directed at anyone but used as a metaphor to express how I feel about blindly following the dogmas, even if it comes from Chan or Mahayana. Through practice and helping others the wisdom will flourish and one will be able to see things for what they are. Try to come to a cow that is all shaking and screaming before being killed, look it straight in the round eyes filled with pain and horror, and say: “Don’t worry friend, it’s because of me you will die today, but don’t be afraid- I will eat your corpse with Love and Acceptance so you can take a ride on my spiritual journey of transformation.” Sounds ridiculous, right, as much as us going to war to bring peace to the Middle East? So why do I need to point it out? As Fajin said before, it all sounds nice but if you look closer- spiritualized BS.

So my point is…
…if you want to practice stillness or alchemy, do it. Because you are drawn to it a the moment and that’s all that matters now. The moment.”

Right it does sound ridiculous, but according to this we shouldn`t eat anything at all… Unfortunately I (and billions of others) are not so developed to do that yet.
And how do you know that when you`ll see things as they are, that you`ll still be against eating meat?

“…and if you want to eat meat, eat meat. Because you like the taste, not because you want to make the cow enlightened… MU”

Now that I agree with. Eat when hungry. 🙂
What does MU stand for though?

Fajin: “I still doubt any Healing Dao “egos” will be able to “digest” it though.”

Are you without ego perhaps? …

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“The only Buddhists who advocate the idea of a Heaven are those who realize they don’t have what it takes to attain anything in this life, so they use what little free will they have to try and control their incarnation to land in a heaven which is really a place where they may have some shot at attainment.”

It was my understanding that here (human realm) is the best place for attainments…

Anyway, I think “forgeries” 😉 are present everywhere including daosim…

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“They are saying that Daoism is this and this and that.”

A trap we are all (well, most of us anyway) in unfortunately, not only about daoism, but all things.

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Dog, I`m sorry. I think I won`t figure it out, I just don`t have any ideas anymore. I did mention it to a friend though and he said he thinks it`s part of some prayer (sp?).

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Depends on the intention of the hunting/killing. I don`t think we`ll agree on this, as I don`t see anything at all wrong with eating meat. Of course in time I may change my mind. One thing I do think though, is that it`s possible that by becoming more advanced in energetic practice diet might have to change as the body might not be able to digest meat so well.

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Yes, probably I have. And I think intellect IS limited. Only time and practice will show me the real truth, but untill then…
On the other hand, I think you are blindly following what others have said, be them wise or not. (not meaning to be offensive or anything)

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I eat dead meat and I eat to live. So the thing that nurtures my body is creating bad karma? I think not. I think it`s more about intention. Good intetion, good karma, bad intention bad karma (even if you are doing a good deed). Although, to be honest, I don`t have any kind of intention when eating (at least not one that I`m aware of).

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