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In my post “Interesting Russian Research” http://forum.healingdao.com/general/message/17557/
Valery Uvarov states that Atlantien fire practices cause cancer by altering time during meditation instead of holding neutral space for past and present to come into balance. In Michaels posting on his wifes passing he states a theory that her cancer was in part caused or excelerated by Atlantien fire practices. Very interesting.Did Atlatiens have to develop or trade for the technology to rejuvenate them selves in a rejuvenation chamber(think star gate the movie). I believe this later became the watered down practice of mumafacation.
Atlantean alchemy follow the same principles as Daoist alchemy: two opposing forces create yuan qi, or neutral force. The difference between Daoist and atlantean is that the fire practice uses excess will, where as the water path is more yin.
My understanding is that by downloading our future self into the present, you are dealing with multiple possibilities, some of which may be detrimental if the downloading is done “all at once” (making it more difficult to integrate) rather than gradually (through lesser kan and li).
I guess what I was getting at is where these practices practical when you had a regeneration chamber but with out that add technology they become less practical. Also can we now have enough skill to regenerate our selves through consciousness with out external technology?
I believe Yuan Qi creates Yin-Yang, it came first, it unfolds into yin-yang. Our cultivation is to harmonize these energies when they are too polarized.
bagua
Dog,
I have no idea what you are talking about…a regeneration chamber??? Do you mean the king’s chamber in the GP? I wasn’t aware that it had the function of regenerating things.
I think the practice of downloading the future self through lesser KL is probably a safe practice because the neutral force generated by the practice itself shields any adverse effects in much the same way that absorbing the sun is buffered by the neutral force in greater KL.Yuan Qi is the source, it remains simultaneously present when qi is polarized, and by merging yin and yang through kan and li we create more yuan qi HERE.
Mumafacation I believe is a watered down practice mimicking or trying in vein to achieve what in the past was a regeneration chamber(think star gate the movie). The Taoist working with mountains natural pyramids and there bodies natural regeneration chambers developed spiritual technology in a different way. Thats just an I idea I had.
From the perspective of Shen, Yuan Shen cannot be added to or diminished. From the view of the post-natal our lifestyle and cultivation build all kinds of Qi, Wei, Ying, Yuan, etc. to sustain our life. If kan and li is used to create more yuan qi, this is post natal yuan qi and in these formulas one is trying to use this to access yuan shen or maintain it being in this space, its one approach to become what already exists, not the only way.
bagua
Seeing as we are talking about atlantean and daoist alchemy here, it seems that the goal of both practices is to create more yuan qi in the post-natal, but it also allows better communication with the pre-natal realms because we have been birthed out from there. This brings in the aspect of time, that we can “go back” (time is linear in the post-natal), cyclical in the pre-natal and eternal in the primordial, so in a sense when we contact the primordial (yuan jing-qi-shen), we are making a direct bridge or portal and holding that open between the primordial and the post-natal. The nature of jing-qi-shen in the post natal is to immediately polarize itself.
I am aware that you hold your own perspective (inner observation of the ever-present process) on cultivation other than kan and li or atlantean fire practices. So your seems to be a preference to “merge with what is”.
Seeing as we are talking about atlantean and daoist alchemy here, it seems that the goal of both practices is to create more yuan qi in the post-natal, but it also allows better communication with the pre-natal realms because we have been birthed out from there. This brings in the aspect of time, that we can “go back” (time is linear in the post-natal), cyclical in the pre-natal and eternal in the primordial, so in a sense when we contact the primordial (yuan jing-qi-shen), we are making a direct bridge or portal and holding that open between the primordial and the post-natal. The nature of jing-qi-shen in the post natal is to immediately polarize itself.
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I dont know anything about atlantean stuff.Cycles and change are natural parts of life, knowing this we accept them creating know polarity, enjoying the variations and spontaneity of life.
I am aware that you hold your own perspective (inner observation of the ever-present process) on cultivation other than kan and li or atlantean fire practices. So your seems to be a preference to “merge with what is”.
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My understanding is rooted in Lao Zi, Tao Teh Ching. From a polarized view you are merging, from your original spirit you are aware of what already exists. When you complete your kan and li and other training you will know that everything you needed you always had, there was nothing to add to your life, but to identify what your yuan shen or original natureIn other words, (paraphrasing you):
There is no polarization, there is no cultivation, there are no boundaries, form is formless and formless is form.
Ha, ha, ha – from the point of view of the primordial, yes.
Earlier you said that form the view of the post-natal there are all kinds of polarization…you are of two minds already but claim only one – can you recognize the contradiction?
So by recognizing the formless AND the form, by recognizing that there is no division, AND that we live in a divided plane of vibration, I practice harmonizing the opposites to bring my undivided self into this divided plane AND also to fully experience the division so that the Undivided self may learn from it (the reason why we are here!!!).
There is no “completion” of kan and li training, it is a process!!!I find it funny that these conversations always seem to take on an antagonistic mood when discussing how the undivided self of the primordial relates to the divided self in the post-natal. I think the fact that the primordial is ever-present is self-evident, how could it be otherwise?
interesting conversation. My own personal experience is that yes my learning or understanding feels more like remembrance pointing to a reinventing the wheel or re birthing it in this level of manifestation to see what that is like. Thats the trick the puzzle is it not, out of the infinite potential what will we birth and embodied. We really do not learn anything we grasp it, we birth it. There is a certain skill to this it seems. I personally wish to embody or give birth to my beloved soft rose of a heart mind & soul and beyond, most likely at a certain point I will be loved into my energy body and no longer visible, that will an adventure.
Blessing to you two mothers and your process of birth, may all your two prodigal children come home.“I practice harmonizing the opposites to bring my undivided self into this divided plane AND also to fully experience the division so that the Undivided self may learn from it (the reason why we are here!!!).”
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I dont believe the undivided self needs to learn anything, and setting up that dynamic creates polarization, and the feeling of antagonism. I dont think that is why we are here.Its really about how were respond to the variations in life or the natural polarizations in life, this is Yi or mindfullness and this is the fundamental aspect of free will. The free will to become mindful of what we choose. The act of harmonizing is being mindful of how things are really one whole, working as one unit, five phases/five shen are one unit, this is yuan awareness, in yuan there is still variety, still cycles, still dynamic movement, its how we respond to it that creates pathological polarization.
No need to continue the dialogue if you prefer not.
Ha ha ha…is this a dialogue, or a stating of beliefs, an argument about methods?
You seem to be saying that there are five phases and cycles of change, but then also say that everything is already perfect in yuan shen (the process of change is perfect, not particularly any specific part)…this is stating the obvious!!! That yuan jing-qi-shen-wu includes the journey to post-natal and back again is the basis of daoist cosmology, as well as there being a continual process of change.
Since we are talking about methods here…I see you have said again that mindfulness is the method you prefer (this comes up a lot in our discussions – fair enough), what I like about practicing alchemy (K&L) is the feeling of substance that is given to the yuan shen (transforming it into yuan qi and jing), where I can feel the harmonization of the five phases happen as things dissolve into and transform around the core channel of yuan qi around me in the post natal. Polarized events around me respond more in relation to the primordial that is radiating from my core channel into the post natal, and yes, the awareness is definitely there.
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