Bagua and I Finally Agree: Chan and Dao are NOT Identical

Hi NN,

>>I ask this because I feel what a Buddhist would tell me is that the 10,000 things come from one thing – you can call it wuji if you like (I think that is not quite correct) – I would call it unity.<>What I am saying is that, as well as being only one thing, they are *also* 10,000 things. Neither view is correct. All views are correct. Each individual life of the 10,000 things is important individually, also each is important as a body of the whole Unity.<>But before that, I have to say this: the yin and yang of material existence must be unified; when they are, something appears that is neither yin nor yang but a reflection of the greater unity. This is the third and reconciling force between yin and yang. The three are one – it is just like mem aleph and shin for the kabbalistically inclined.<>Thirdly and finally, the business of Wuji itself. The complete Unity in my own conception is not Wuji, Wuji is *beyond* even this Unity. I am going from very limited experience but also from teachers and now Michael says the same which is encouraging.<<

*LOL. That's what the whole debate is about between Michael and I. Not to start another debate/arguement/etc. but I say Wu Ji is the third force that unites and makes everything a unity. It is that oneness. Michael sees it as a bird hatching out of an egg. Once the bird hatches out, the egg is left behind. We can only know the Hundun (primordial chaos-unity), but not Wu Ji itself.

That was just a summary epressed of the two different views between me and him.

I would only like to say that my view does not express Buddhism, but is very Daoist as well.

Regards,
Fajin

I have a great book called ‘Opening The Dragon Gate’ – a super read on Taoism, about a modern-day Taoist’s training.

In that book some Taoists were travelling across China during the famine that accompanied Mao’s ‘Great Leap Forward’. They came across a village suffering an outbreak of cholera.

They took the sufferers into a space and the Grandmaster Taoist made an inspection of their inner energy. Then he made a fire, and made a talisman, and burned the talisman on the fire. Within hours the cholera was cured.

To me this is also the meaning of ‘growing the primordial within the post-natal realm’.

NN

Hi NN:

We basically agree. Some are trapped by the form of the steps of the alchemy, they look at the intellectual descriptions not the experience.

NN
The myriad things distract from the one, correct?
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It can, if one cultivates no. If we know our true self we dont.

If you can hold to the one, the myriad things lose their power to distract, correct?

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Its best to say we understand both, the creator and creation are one, we are inseparable from the whole. We are both the same and different at the same time.

If so, please tell me: where do the myriad things come from and why do they have the power to distract?
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I Dont Know. The great mystery beyond intellectual understanding, we can know the what, not always the why.

bagua

Hi fajin:

*We must be psychically connected! I would also love to move to the mountains one day. Look at this link:
http://www.damo-qigong.net/retreat.htm
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Im very familiar with them, i helped a little bit in getting Hu’s book published. I have done research on Da Mo’s Yi jin Jing and Xi Sui Jing, there method is one of many I have studied and praticed.

Btw, did you ever learn Wudang Taiji when you went to Wudang, what exactly did you learn there?
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I have not been there but know there Yi Jin Jing, it is a sitting form.

Its my experience if one meditates and cultivates most any forms will enhance the practice.

bagua

How does one measure “accelerate the alchemical process”?

“the rate of change of velocity of an object with respect to time”. So it is a linear frame. With non linear and linear results. Do you trust your perception?

“I dont believe Lao Zi mentions at death if one is not acheived they will split and go into the collective and the opportunity for integration is lost. I beleive this is a great misunderstanding.”

The only opertunity that was lost was bagua. All the life force can do is give opportunity. Your “higher” self or true self is still in tact. But the hole that makes up bagua here and now is gone. Unless you have died meany times here ,or have made your ship to sail in the nile, its started over. It is a death process after death. Now I believe the true self gets better ever time. I also believe you have access to information and skills of your “past” lives. I also believe that “past” lives are not lived in a linear fashion one after the other. It is best not to limmit the life force to a linear form. We seem to pulse out. I will say that the perseption people have after death and then return I believe is still not the full process of death. I believe it is the starting process to braking down of duality and the ego. “It is much like a dog trying to comprahend what his love ones do while they are gone. He may not understand but he loves them when they return.”

Hi Dog:

My question is how does one compare “acceleration” between different methods? How can one measure if ht alchemical methods accelerate quicker than chan or other methods?

thanks,

bagau

Not so obvious.

If someone asks I want to select a system which do you recommend? Well we dont all have 5-10 years to waste. So there are people here that claim tao alchemy is more effecient and accelerates the transformation better than others, for all the reasons expressed on dialogues.

So, how is one measuring the effectiveness of white cloud alchemy over other systems? If they promote it then explain how.

bagua