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Bagua,
Just have a question for you. You said that you practice yi jin jing, ba duan jin, five animal frolics, taiji, wuji, etc. I also practice many forms (martial) a day like Iron Wire (rooting, organ sounds, gentle isometrics), Taiji forms, Asanas, etc. But I don’t do it on the same day because it can be dangerous. Do you practice all on the same day or do you variate? Thanks.
My last day on the board!
Jinstanding
have been developing dan tien via rhytmic movement
consider standing as a way to practice to be done only after definite proficiency
or it can strain the middle dan tien, the heart:only within the capacity of middle dan tien
and even then it is very complex
for it involves middle dan tien, solar plexus and middle dan tienyou stand the pole
and honour the hearti finds that challanging
so approach it with rhytmic movementso
with Hun ga, Earle, Wudangstanding the pole
and straining the heartwhat is their and your take on this
Dear Friend,
Thank you so much for sharing your rich knowledge and experience with us. Your participation on this board will be greatly missed.
I also have been finding myself being drawn away from posting because of other projects and priorities, but I hope that you will, like me, steal a few moments every now and then to visit here, and at least ocasionally make your presence known.
And whenever you and singing ocean are ready, I look forward to us meeting in person so we can have a Sanga and do some practices together.
peace and smiles
Farooq
Hi Jernej,
You do moving forms because zhan zhuang strains the heart is what I’m getting. It should be the other way around. First practice sitting nei dan, become proficient at it. Then zhan zhuang, become proficient at it, then movement. How can you stand if you first don’t sit. How can you move if you first don’t stand. Stillness precedes movement.
That said, there are other reasons you may be straining your heart in zhan zhuang. I’m guessing you are talking about embracing the tree posture which most often strains your heart, but there could be other postures.
Firstly, make sure the body is relaxed as much as possible. A ‘song’ state means letting go to heaven and earth -let them hold your posture.
Next, make sure that the arms are a little wider if you are experiencing heart strain.
Next, you may point the palms upwards by curving the wrists, keep the palms natural. Erle’s take is to put arms low in zhan zhuang like belly height. This is good for heart strain and the palms won’t point at the heart.
Next, make sure you use abdominal breathing and lower the diaphragms but make sure the diaphragmatic movement is natural, not forced. Sink the breath all the way down.
There’s also a good chance you have a high center of gravity which could put strain on the solar plexus area and heart. Try Chia’s “Tan Tien Chi Kung” book as he works all areas of the dantian and keep the dantian a little lower than the navel, like qihai is good. Practice animal postures daily and get the feel of it. They are safe if you be careful. It maybe because your upper body could be bigger than your lower body, don’t know how you look!
You can also first practice in the Wu Ji stance, just stand naturally and don’t use heaven force, just earth force and connect the earth force below your feet with your huiyin, use this as your dantian for now. This will really lower your center of gravity, practice this way it builds rooting power fast.
Wudang Taiji uses lots of stillness meditations with hunyuan qigong. It uses lots of internal mechanics. They never told me much about heart strains because I never had the problem.
If you are interested in Hung Gar, I suggest you get a good teacher because it can be dangerous, it is a soft-hard style. But if you would like to learn by yourself, I can direct you to a link with 3 e-books on it by Lam Sai Wing, student of the great Wong Fei Hung. There is the iron wire set too. The link is at the bottom. Use your own discretion.
You can e-mail Erle, he is very friendly, he will give you better advice because he teaches many students and knows about these problems, I don’t. But I hope my info may be enough for you.
I might drop in once a while so if I do, feel free to ask,
JinHi Farooq,
I might drop in once a while, but I kind of wanted to get away from discussion for a while and be with myself. You are very friendly and kind, I would appreciate getting together with you and singing ocean one day. In the meantime, you guys can get together.
Our discussion in the practice forum was very nice, I am grateful to have come to the discussion board and having met you, Bagua, Max, Singing Ocean, etc. I look forward to a bright future ahead of us. Take care and practice diligently!
Smiles from the Heart,
Jinhi Fajin:
I do things on differnt days, some are my core things I do daily, most in a relaxed way, not too rigid. I have modified some practices. Iron shirt can be done very relaxed, depends what you want to get from it. Bone Marrow the same, I have dont the hanging of weights, but not anymore, not necessary for me, it depends what one wants to do.
Im beleiver in finding the special place between structure and relaxation.
I have a core group of things I do most days, then others things other days.
My basic daily practice, the things I do most every day in this order.
1. Sitting meditation after waking
2. Basic Dao Yin, about 12 postures3. Warm up all joints, all the basic stuff, swinging, tapping, etc.
4. Yi jin JIng, two types, Chia like and traditional Shao Lin form
5. Ba Duan Ji
6. Standing healing sounds
7. Tonify organs
8. Tao Ten, combo of elixir style and Huasan stuff
9. Marrow washing, trad shaolin form, not chia like stuff, specific days use wire tapping, etc
10. Tai ji, can be short or long, depends on timeothers things on other days
bagua
Thanks Bagua,
My program is kind of similar to yours in that I do nei dan in the morning, but my iron wire set combines the sounds. And I do yogasanas (you do Chia’s Daoyin?) right after nei dan in the morning just like you, What a coincidence!
I also practice Wudang style Ba Duan Jin every once in a while. Don’t know if you know this version, maybe I’ll show you one day.
Like I said, I’ll attend one of your courses on astrology and feng shui, I’ll see ya later! Have fun with the others!
Jin
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