GOT EVIL…

I will put my post here, since that’s where my name came up. I love to read your posts alexander, but i’m a lot like emilgee when she said that she doesn’t have a strong need to be understood and that she enjoys to read and contribute but doesn’t need to get involved in verbal sparring.
Actually, the “contribute” part, is probably more her than me. My beliefs come from my Solitary practice (which I don’t care to discuss or debate i.e. what i think about evil,etc.) and I find that I don’t get involved in any of these conversations much, b/c while I love to read them, it just isn’t something that I am passionate enough about to respond to. It’s not my “intent” on being on this forum. I do care about learning about these practices that Michael (and others) teach and I wish there were other training logs I could look at to see how others progressed/learned/experienced these things, but I don’t want to discuss my opinions and beliefs. I want to learn and read about about your practices.

So, in saying this….i don’t think i would be much help if they are the only two other women posting here. But I do find it interesting that we all understand each other. Is that b/c we’re women, or just b/c of our personalities? ohwell. . . .now
i’m late for work and better get hoppin’:(

oh hey, i saw your art (the wooden statues) on a web site. That is your’s right? They were beautiful. The shadows behind them great!

have a great day! 🙂

Hi Wendy,

Cool that you had a dream about it. So much goes on on different levels. That’s why I said that things are working themselves out through our interactions. I feel that, that’s why I am so effing persistent.

I appreciate your feedback. Thanks. This has been a very helpful exchange, altogether. I normally do not stand on the barricades with my flamethrower in hand. I am learning a certain balance here in these conversations between what is too hot and what is too cold. Sensitivity is so important. And that is a major point in the conversation about evil. Without it, one goes too far in either direction.

Aloha, A

“As for the rest you four (A,W,E,T) were talking about, I just hope it doesn`t turn into a never ending circle, where nothing will really be resolved.”

Not a chance, Peter.

Hi Emelgee,

I think this has gone the distance it needs to. I’m sorry about the heat and pressure. (I spend a lot of time in the kitchen. I’m used to it.) I got protective because I felt attacked.

I am not interested in sparring or any of the other war metaphors that have come into this conversation with the (now) four of us. I like clarification, and it seems that looks like arguing sometimes. You are certainly correct when you say: “…our conversation is probably a very good indication of the limits of discussion on this type of forum.” But what it has done that is good is given us the opportunity to see somethings that need attention.

I’m going to respond to some of the points in your message now:

I used the Capote anecdote as a humorous way to show what I believe to be the difference between typing and writing which was important to me to clarify.

“If you want to keep looking for differences you will always find them.”

Yes, that’s true. And it is always about balance. There is a time to see differences. This gives us contrast for clarity and discrimination. In MY way of looking for the whole picture I look for both the differences and the similarities. And, apparently, I like certain kinds of verbal interactions you don’t.

“I could quote all sorts of specific references …but to me that is just focusing on one little bit rather than seeing the whole picture.”

Yes, same thing again. The whole picture is the way to go. But sometimes we have to take things apart to put them together again in a way that makes sense to us. The baby and the bath water are not the same thing.

“You may find the way I talk/type/speak/intuit/verbalise confusing – I don’t really mind.”

Over time with our conversations I have come to see that there is a subtle polarity of energy between you and I. You see, when I read a statement of yours like that above I can’t help but wonder WHY you wouldn’t care to be understood by a person with whom you are talking. That is why I have asked you questions that I have found out you’d prefer not to answer. I won’t go there anymore with you.

Best, A

treesinger, I appreciate your openess in offering your training log for everyone to see. i haven’t looked at it yet, but your comment:

TS**I wish there were other training logs I could look at to see how others progressed/learned/experienced these things,**

made me curious to check it out.

TS**but I don’t want to discuss my opinions and beliefs.**

yeah i know, ……..doing that can become a sort of never ending game of opininonated tennis. (sometimes going to 7 sets….uughh!)

…and although i don’t really like quoting external sources, i feel that a piece from the hua hu ching somes it up nicely why some of us don’t enjoy discussing opinins and beliefs

“does one scent appeal more than another?
do you prefer this flavour or that feeling?
is your practice sacred and your work profane?
then your mind is seperated
from itself from oneness from the tao

keep your mind free of divisions and distinctions
when your mind is detatched simple and quite
then all things can exist in harmony
and you can begin to percieve the subtle truth”

of course, we all have preferences and opinions to some degree, but we just don;t have to take them too seriouslly, otherwise……………..intensity, arguments,debate,…….and on and on…….

TS**I want to learn and read about about your practices.**

yeah, me too ’cause that’s what ultimatlety undoes all that crap that we hang onto in the form of opinion. it’s also intersting to see how each person is using different practices in their own individual way.

another thing about practices is that, being in the southern hemisphere, i wonder if the seasonal differences between here and there are significant or not, anyone know?

……………oh…..10:50 is that the time?………by the time I get to work, it’ll be time to go home, gotta fly

I feel similar. Also, this way I can see how much I really practice. I wish I kept a log before. It would be interesting to see my experiences before and compare them to now.
Anyway, I made my log public too. Though I figure if my practice becomes too personal, I`ll make it private again. Oh, and I started to write my dreams down in the log too. And well, they`re weird…

2 forms of evil:

1) destructive “energy”
2) misery/suffering/hell

anxiety would basically be the second, a bad diet could probably be either..

the point is “is evil good?” or “why does evil exist” or “does evil forward the good?”

this turns into issues of “is war good?”

is murder necessary?

does death separate wheat from chaff like a good round of genocide?

is nature filled with evil?

if evil is “good” in nature, is evil somehow bad for people?

Two immediate issues arise:

1) is evil as suffering just whining?
2) is evil as destruction good for you?

these lead to dilemnas like is it good to be Setian?

Should I follow the Anti Christ or Christ? OOr just do a bit of both?