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>>>…but Daoism is likely the least violent…
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>>>Is it?Who said Mo Pai is Daoist?
This is a non-sequitur.I don’t know that followers of Mo Pai or the other violent traditions you cite are following the principles laid out in the Tao Te Ching and–if you want to extend larger–the Dao Canon. If you feel they are, please cite your references.
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…from this alchemical schism came another shift towards the dark side of human nature. Taoist magicians became robbers and murderers, and many were involved on overthrowing the government.
-The Shaolin Grandmasters’ Text: History, Philosophy, and Gung Fu of Shaolin Ch’an (page 74)Maybe it’s just too complicated because there should be some real motivation to become familiar with this aspect.
Anyway there are also enough easily available material.
HOWDY
http://www.nysun.com/arts/jason-bourne-takes-his-case-to-moma/78614/
…but as conceived by Tony Gilroy (who has script credits on all three films) and William Blake Heron, Matt Damon’s boyish, blond, blue-eyed, and buffed programmed killer bears more resemblance to a post-Watergate, black-ops version of Marvel Comics’s scientifically advanced World War II “super soldier” Captain America than to the Bourne of literature…Jason Bourne’s particular dual super-heroic/super-hung up nature is summed up in a marvelously written declaration in Mr. Liman’s initial entry in the series, in which Bourne lists every salient detail he has involuntarily catalogued to make a war zone out of the peaceful roadside cafe in which he sits. “I can tell you that our waitress is left-handed and the guy sitting up at the counter weights 215 pounds and knows how to handle himself,” he confides to his ad hoc travelling companion, Marie, a Euro-slacker playde by “Run Lola Run” star Franka Potente. “I know the best place to look for a gun is the cab of the gray truck outside, and, at this altitude, I can run flat-out for a half mile before my hands start shaking. Now why would I know that? How can I know that and not know who I am?”…”Sometimes when you walk absentmindedly, you’re not self-conscious of who you are and thinking about why you’re just taking in what comes at you without much reflection. Nevertheless, you know that the moment you look for it , your past is always available. You can reconstruct that very rapidly. Bourne doesn’t have that.”…The series’ visionary rapid-fire bursts of bone- and bumber-crunching PG-13 violence notwithstanding, Jason Bourne’s dilemma represents a full-blown case of a small-scale nightmare we all harbor…”people are worried when they lose their identity card,” Dr. Totoni said. “When you lose your identity, it’s much more of a problem, I guess.”
http://www.amazon.com/Skills-Vagabonds-Leung-Ting/dp/9627284173/
VIOLENCE
Islam is not violent, it’s not like they spend their days killing each other and eating each other’s brain.
Not at all they live like any people. They wake up have breakfast take a shit and go to work. What else?
But the code was created to regulate society, and yes you do have to be tough. For instance cutting off the hands of thieves.
In the US 1% of men are in jail and you have the whole death row bs were US states keep changing which method to choose to murder the inmates.
Did you ever see the pictures of the detainees at Guantanamo, with the red balls strapped to their mouths.
What a horror. What a shame against existence itself.
This is not Islam.
Islam is simpler and frankly better. It is more honest. At least it was.
Every country has a code and if you break it you will be hurt.
And this simply reflects the laws of the universe, even the Sun has to struggle and will be destroyed, it’s not Disney.
Islam was created many years ago to regulate the society of the time, judge it in that context. That is the place to judge it if you want to be objective. Against it’s own time.
And it is a mistake for any person to imagine they live in Disney world. No you need to be strong or you will be destroyed. It is part of the test.
Do not judge it. Do not say oh it’s too hard or the world should be prettier. Carry the load or you are not worthy.
To be godly means to traverse and succeed in all conditions and all layers on consciousness.
BOMBING
Now Islamic people are angry because their countries are destroyed and they react violently, but … anyone would. It is simply a coincidence what religion they are.
And if America had bombed Finland, Sweden, Norway and Denmark and that society became a terrorist manufacturing ground, then the UK-US media would be digging into the books of Scandinavia and saying : “look I knew it all along, they are violent”.
US-UK (The West) has done this in North America, Afria, India, Australasia, it is the code of The West you could say.
SUBJUGATION OF WOMEN
Underlying the 2 points you chose (which are extremely commonly held by the brainwashed Western world) is one single idea:
> that you are free if the bad guys are removed from the picture.
But this is fundamentally a mistake.
Firstly due to the endless changing flux of the universe, there will always be yin and yang, bad guys, within and without.
Secondly even if you remove them you would not be at peace because you are nothing until you grow.
God did not make any mistakes. He put the bad guys there to make you grow.
Do you see?
So the fundamental assumption is wrong.
As for women, it is emphasised in the West that women are equal because they can play soccer, work instead of looking after their children, be aggressive, get drunk and throw up on the pavement in girl gangs. And of course f*** everybody.
Well that’s just great. What a model of “feminism”.
Women in the East are absolutely adored as the mother of the family, a family unit and the reality is they have a lot of power. In fact in the East the man just goes to work and the mother runs the house – period.
It is a lie that women have no power.
To have no power is actually to be forced by society to work whilst a stranger looks after your children. This is a disgrace.
Do you see.
In fact to create a society, to raise a family, there has to be co-operation. So yes the women stay at home and do their job, and the men go into the harsh outer world and do their job. Who has it worse??????
I have met just a few women who real mature beings, they did not play soccer or be an aggressive politician promising to murder even better than the last president. No.
The lies on the TV seep into us and they are lies. They are complete lies.
The destruction of these social structures has lead to what? Just look around you? Everything is being destroyed.
I am afraid one must battle against what one is exposed to.
I went to one of the big universities in England and did a Maths degree and then Masters … but …
I have come to understand education and life to be quite different.
In the West people talk a lot and very clever (like monkeys) but they do not know who they are or whats going on. Hence iPhone7 + world destruction. Strange.
Humans are physical-emotional-mental. And all education should cultivate these 3 ultimately as one.
But Western education is simply in da hed, creating zombies with lots of thoughts.
Very interesting what you say about the cyclical nature of ascending and degenerating. Very interesting.
This is the subconscious world and no-one is exempt (not even Western universities) unless they are self-realised, that is the meaning of it.
About fighting the Master:
This prevents wank***. It prevents wasting your time doing rubbish, floating arms that are useless. You must test yourself one way or another.
And it is interesting to see UFC / BJJ defeats all other forms of martial arts. But then again a gun defeats BJJ. This insight lead me to really consider what I was doing and why.
There are many energies in the world, many avenues of exploration. And many dead ends.
To be able to swim up stream and down stream, a work towards your goals in any condition, in any weather or season, whether joyful or dying, on the first day or last, this is mastery. This is glory.
“Show me : Paint The Fence !”.
This is another non-sequitur.
Just because some book declares something to be Daoist, doesn’t make it so.
You need to cite the Tao Te Ching or books of the Dao Canon to demonstrate that what is recognized as Daoism promotes violence. Other groups declaring themselves Daoist or being labeled that way in a book by a biographer doesn’t cut it. Anybody can say anything, it doesn’t mean it is correct. People say all kinds of stuff all the time, with nothing to back up their remarks.S
I give up.
You don’t get it.
This will be my last reply here.You keep spinning off into straw man arguments.
—————————–Straw Man #1: “Islam is not violent, it’s not like they spend their days killing each other and eating each other’s brain. ”
I don’t disagree with the fact that most followers are Islam keep to themselves peacefully. But this has nothing to do with what I said.
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Straw Man #2: “Did you ever see the pictures of the detainees at Guantanamo, with the red balls strapped to their mouths. What a horror. What a shame against existence itself.”I don’t disagree that treatment of Guantanamo detainees has been horrible, disgusting, and repugnant. But this has nothing to do with what I said.
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Straw Man #3: “And if America had bombed Finland, Sweden, Norway and Denmark and that society became a terrorist manufacturing ground, then the UK-US media would be digging into the books of Scandinavia and saying : “look I knew it all along, they are violent”.I don’t disagree that Middle Eastern Muslims are angry and violent due to war in the region, and that other non-Muslims would feel the same way. But again, this has nothing to do with what I said.
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These are all straw man arguments that have nothing to do with the issue I was talking about.This is why I generally avoid replying to any of your posts, because they are typically filled with about 10 or 15 straw man arguments that have nothing to do with the preceding post. Or even if they are an independent initial thread, you introduce so many different issues it would take 100 pages to reply if the post is to be acknowledged properly.
Here are more:
Straw Man #4: “Underlying the 2 points you chose (which are extremely commonly held by the brainwashed Western world) is one single idea:
> that you are free if the bad guys are removed from the picture.”I never said that. You are arguing a claim that I never made, nor stand by.
I have no interest in removing any “bad guys”.
Nor any interest in labeling certain people are bad.
So this is a total straw man.
Frankly what other people do . . . well these things are completely irrelevant to me.I do believe that people would be a lot more free though if people chose to stop following Western religions which are designed to do the thinking for you, which are designed to control you, and designed to hopelessly make an attempt to control others (a hopeless attempt which does nothing but cause friction and resistance to the way things are). BUT what others choose to do, is their choice. Frankly it is none of my business or my concern. I have no interest in trying to eradicate other belief systems. As far as I’m concerned, if others want to believe foolish things, it is their business and choice to do so.
>>>Islam was created many years ago to
>>>regulate the society of the time,
>>>judge it in that context. That is
>>>the place to judge it if you want
>>>to be objective. Against it’s own time.This is simply a justification for why there is violence in the code. It doesn’t invalidate the claim that there is violence in it. This is a non-sequitur.
As for your final comments regarding women, where you do actually address something I said to some degree, to my ears you believe that this “control over women” is a good thing. I simply disagree. I do not. I believe women, just like all people, should be free to make their own choices. Nobody has their own lives so straight that they have any business forcing others to fit into any defined role.
>>>To have no power is actually to be forced
>>>by society to work whilst a stranger
>>>looks after your children. This is a disgrace.Nobody forces women in Western society to work and have a childcare person look after their children. This is a choice that some mothers make. A choice of their own free accord. Now it may be a stupid choice. But it is a choice nonetheless. And some don’t make that choice. They opt to be stay-at-home mothers.
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Straw Man #1: “Islam is not violent, it’s not like they spend their days killing each other and eating each other’s brain. ”
I don’t disagree with the fact that most followers are Islam keep to themselves peacefully. But this has nothing to do with what I said.
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Well Steven this is exactly what the TV says. Your views are a xerox. Word for word.
Both your initial assumption that Islam is violent because their book says. And secondly your “try-to-be-nice” by saying most of them are not like that.
All this is on TV every day.
It is a xerox of the TV.
Sorry if that is uncomfortable, we all have to face the fact that we are heavily brainwashed at some point, it’s not much fun.
So when I respond, I respond to the culture’s perspective on Islam, which is what is talking.
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Now unfortunately the culture teaches people that they have their own views. And also what those views are. (do you get it ?)
I am afraid it is not much fun to wake up from the matrix.
I don’t give a rat’s ass what the TV says.
I care about what the Abrahamic religions say for themselves in their very texts.
Which you can not reconcile, and avoid by straw man arguments.I evaluate religions by what they actually say in their actual books, not what’s on TV or what people claim and argue. People can say all kinds of stuff. I look at what it is actually written. Period. If you choose to cherry-pick away the stuff that is repugnant and ignore it, that’s your choice. It’s not mine.
… “why did we kill all those people in the ME?”
… “because of their books – look it says they are bad”
… “oh ok that satisfies me”The false personality is simply a mass produced copy of the culture. Period. It has you digging into some dusty old books rather than considering what the PetroDollar agreement with Saudi Arabia in the 1970s means, rather than considering that Saddam Hussein decided to sell oil in Euros and 5 minutes later was bombed to death. Whatever you do, don’t think for yourself !!!
And there is not much communication as we can see here between those inside and those outside.
And it’s also true that not everyone is ready to “wake up” because there is more work to do at that level.
That’s fine too 😉
( I remember someone’s grandmother saying that you should do everything just as everyone else does. Or you do everything differently. )
Choose your path, it’s all good.
And completely misrepresenting it as something else.
It is clear that your style is just to simply ignore what was written, and reply with straw man arguments and hope that people are too stupid to understand the logical fallacy. Straw Man
But I’m not replying any further. I’ve pointed it out enough that people who have actually been reading this thread should get it.
Look, if we miss each other it’s not the end of the world is it. You do your thing and I’ll do mine.
Is there violence in the Quran? Yes.
Is there violence in movies Americans watch on Saturday night? Yes.
Is there violence in the news? Yes
Is there violence in books at Waterstones? YesIs the violence of terrorist bombers related to the Quran? No.
Really, then why are they violent?They are violent because somebody destroyed their families, children, parents, uncles, sisters, countries, cultures, architecture, society, history.
As a group they rally around a flag, the flag of the Quran … or whatever is handy.
Why are so concerned with the books Steven? Is it just you Steven who is concerned with the “book”?
NO, that’s what the Western world’s tv stations is currently talking about. In Europe too as there are many muslims here.
They ask should we be worried ? Are they de facto intrinsically violent. Let’s check their book.
The Western TV never says … “er, do you think the fact we killed so many muslims made them violent ?”
It’s all a bit nuts, isn’t it.
And so on.
On religions.
Christianity is not about a book. It is about a man. It is about a journey.
What is the purpose of houses? It is to protect us from the wind and cold of winter, the heat and rain of summer, and to keep out robbers and thieves. Once these ends have been secured, that is all. Whatever does not contribute to these ends should be eliminated.
MOZI, Mozi (5th century BC) Ch 20…MACHO (massive astrophysical compact halo object)…WIMP (weakly interacting massive particles)…
-PETER D. WARD & DONALD BROWNLEE ,The Life and Death of Planet Earth: How the New Science of Astrobiology Charts the Ultimate Fate of Our World…who said Mo Pai is Daoist…
Their original guru should be Mozi not Laozi.
…you need to cite the Tao Te Ching or books of the Dao Canon…
Is it also like having a membership card of the Communist Party of China?
HOWDY
From author Robert Bauval’s FB page – link below.
ISLAMOPHBIA here, Islamophobia there. You hear Islamophobia everywhere in the media. But we never hear of CHRISTIANOPHOBIA or WESTERNOPHOBIA.
I know that I will draw criticism, even insults, for saying this, but someone must say it, because our “humanitarian” vote-seeking, politically correct politicians will not:
Islam is an antedated ideology that is incompatible with Western principles of Liberal Democracy which include Human rights, freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of action, and freedom of choice, and freedom of ideologies whether religious or not. I lived and worked in Islamic Countries for over 30 years of my life, including Iran and Saudi Arabia, and it is more than obvious to me that is the truth, however unpolpular it is to say it. And before I am accused of not knowing the Qu’ran or cannot read or speak Arabic, I have read the Qu’ran and even written a book with an Islamic scholar. and I learnt Arabic at school in Egypt.
But please do not confuse people who are Mulsim with Islam itself. Many of my best friends are Muslims. But be that as it may, I am convinced that Islam must be reformed before it leads the world into a quagmire of violence and more wars.
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