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I still had this sticky and churning jing in my head.I have been fixing it by guiding it into my navel to store it there every time the jing becomes uncomfortable. By circulating it in the microcosmic orbit (not all points), I was able to make it soft, sometimes as soft as water that it descends down quickly. But it always comes back.
The manual says that the orbit starts at the navel and gather energy there before circulating it. Does that still apply if you have jing in your head?
Should I bring the jing to the navel first before I do the orbit?
For concentrating, should I “mind-guide” the flow of energy or just let it be? I notice that it sometimes move by itself.
Hello TheSeeker,
You say “it always comes back”. What is “it”?
Are you still doing sexual practices, or have you stopped that?The reason I ask is that it seems unlikely to me that if you’ve
stopped the sexual practices that it’s still jing qi–possible,
but unlikely, since it didn’t sound like you had practiced the
method too much before you developed the problem.It sounds to me more like a standard qi deviation of having too
much qi rise up into the head.Do you tend to be a real “mental”-type, i.e. intellectual, and
spend a lot of time doing a lot of heavy thinking? This can
cause qi to rise up into the head naturally.As to your question about the orbit, rather than “concentrating”
or “thinking” about the energy to guide it, try “feeling”.I suggest less mental energy and more feeling in your body.
If my question about being a mental-type is right, then all this
“mental effort” is not helping. You want to get “out of your head” not
into it!By doing a lot of thinking and concentrating, all you are doing
is reinforcing the fact that you are *in your head*. If that’s what
you are telling your body, then your body says “OK fine, I’ll be in
the head . . . and it does so”.I suspect that some movement qigong would do you a lot of good, and
would help you get out of your head.Steven
Hello
“I still had this sticky and churning jing in my head.I have been fixing it by guiding it into my navel to store it there every time the jing becomes uncomfortable. By circulating it in the microcosmic orbit (not all points), I was able to make it soft, sometimes as soft as water that it descends down quickly. But it always comes back.”
I think you should continue the microcosmic practises for a long time as you do right now. It is a bit dificult to know how long time you need to continue before your symtoms stop. It might also be a period of trial and error with sound ideas on what to do before finding the best solution for you. I think Steven might be right in telling you to add some moving form of qigong or perhaps a standing form. It could be a good idea to do the microcosmic orbit standing in the standing three stance, as soon as you have been comfortable with it, and having instructions on it. Standing or moving forms add ying qi from the earth that might be very good for you and could possible balance you energy in the head, exept for the benefits Steven talked about. If problem finding a teacher try to learn any moving form that is available close to you, perhaps at a low cost.
The manual says that the orbit starts at the navel and gather energy there before circulating it. Does that still apply if you have jing in your head?
“It might be possible then to start from the head and go down and then around some times. But you can always start in navel if you are unsertain and then when you have reached the head it will still take the Jing with it, part by part, remember the Jing there might be wery dence and compact and might take time to move completely. So even though you feel it go down there might be alot left. Licke you take water from a well, you take the water but there is plenty left in the well.”
Should I bring the jing to the navel first before I do the orbit?
“I think you mean the Jing from the head, you can do it either way, it is not nessesary to start with taking it down. The important thing is just to close you session with taking it down. Then perhaps in the long run you will empty your well of Jing in the head. If you not have found a method that is faster before that, like standing might be”
For concentrating, should I “mind-guide” the flow of energy or just let it be? I notice that it sometimes move by itself.
“When it move by it self it might be wery good to let it do so. Just follow with your mind and let the energy guide you. Sometimes the body qi know what it best to do and you just distube it if using ot much will power.”
Good luck and keep on with endurance. 🙂
S D
Yep I am a very mental person. Capable of imagining things alot, thinks alot and has the ability to pull some memory of the past when encountering a single word that suddenly, like a video, plays then comes out through my mouth and make expressions in my face that people think I am crazy.
I am an artist and a writer. I am currently on a project involving these skills.
These are the result of an online chakra test:
http://www.eclecticenergies.com/chakras/chakraevaltest.php
Root: under-active (19%)
Sacral: over-active (81%)
Navel: open (31%)
Heart: over-active (94%)
Throat: over-active (100%)
Third Eye: over-active (75%)
Crown: open (69%)But the last time I took this, the only over active part was my crown and the rest were open. The root is the same, it was under active.
I stopped all sexual kung-fu practices since I got this jing in my head and its been a long time now. It started when I did a successful 4 days (not sure) semen retention and could have been longer if I didn’t got the jing coming up and overheating me. The only practice I do is masturbating in order to ejaculate thinking it will help lessen the jing inside me that though it is pleasurable, it was an odd reason to do it and is starting to become mechanical. Actually I have a feeling ejaculating doesn’t help at all.
The jing comes back up even as I type this. Well, writing is a mental thing right?
This happens too when I read that’s why it is hampering me and hard to concentrate on what I am reading.
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Last night, I decided to fix my head again because my experience in sleeping with jing in the head is very awkward bad dreams.
I did my regular “head spin routine” and concentrating on the mid eyebrow to gather chi there and it sometime activate what I call is a “tornado inside my head”, a force spinning violently inside my head like a drill that I have a feeling that it may cut through my skull so I keep it not far from my forehead for I think it may crack my skull open if I let it on the top of my head which bones are not thick unlike the forehead.
Anyways it does a good job sucking the jing. It goes directly to my navel by just tilting my head with my tongue on the roof of my mouth.
After clearing my head a bit, suddenly it comes spurting out again like a fountain at the place where they say jing is kept in the brain (upper top most portion behind the ear). But it is softer than what it was before and I brought it down again with the same routines.
But this time I did a different route.
After accumulating the jing on the navel, I let it descend on the perineum. Then I placed tongue on the palate and the energy spun around my microcosmic orbit. I let it round and round until I decided to put it back on the perineum again. I keep on accumulating the jing there from some that got stuck in my head in the orbit spinning process.
I guided the energy at the back of my knees and the soles of my feet quite long while simultaneously emptying my head of jing and guiding them to these points. I did all the way to thumbs of my toes to the knees and tried sucking yin from the earth from there.
My feet were buzzing especially from the soles. The jing can be really be felt there.
In that process the jing kept away from my head that pleased me.
It was already very late in the morning so I decided to sleep. But I felt the energy accumulate at my sacrum (coccyx?). I sat again and did small heavenly cycles. The jing felt like clothes in the washing machine as it spins there and I think it becomes softer in that process. After 36 spins I stop and let it “cleanse and purify itself” according to the manual.
That time the buzzing in my feet were less but the energy whatever it was was on my back and brimming there when I lay in bed again. I decided to let it stay there for I don’t want jing back in the head again.
I finally slept and dreamt again some weird stuff like my relatives where angry and crying when their pet bird and squirrel got shot by my sniper rifle by the hands of my stupid cousin. I don’t want to include anymore details for it involves some horrible alien like dental weirdness.
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My feet are cold right now and the soles are buzzing. But it somehow keeps the jing from my head.
I guess I should focus more on my breathing or on concentrating on the soles of my feet more.
I think I should regularly practice basic meditation to calm my mind.
I think I need more yin. What practice should I do to get more yin then other than standing qi-jong? If I can just exchange energy with a woman… but I don’t think that will be possible anytime soon.
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Any of you guys can show me a link, a book or any guide how to do standing qi-jong?
Hello TheSeeker,
You say “it always comes back”. What is “it”?
Are you still doing sexual practices, or have you stopped that?The reason I ask is that it seems unlikely to me that if you’ve
stopped the sexual practices that it’s still jing qi–possible,
but unlikely, since it didn’t sound like you had practiced the
method too much before you developed the problem.It sounds to me more like a standard qi deviation of having too
much qi rise up into the head.Do you tend to be a real “mental”-type, i.e. intellectual, and
spend a lot of time doing a lot of heavy thinking? This can
cause qi to rise up into the head naturally.As to your question about the orbit, rather than “concentrating”
or “thinking” about the energy to guide it, try “feeling”.I suggest less mental energy and more feeling in your body.
If my question about being a mental-type is right, then all this
“mental effort” is not helping. You want to get “out of your head” not
into it!By doing a lot of thinking and concentrating, all you are doing
is reinforcing the fact that you are *in your head*. If that’s what
you are telling your body, then your body says “OK fine, I’ll be in
the head . . . and it does so”.I suspect that some movement qigong would do you a lot of good, and
would help you get out of your head.Steven
Sounds more like a qi deviation to me.
Too much qi rising up into the head from being a mental type . . .For instance, you mentioning that the sensation is coming back
as you are typing/writing is just another example.Keep doing the orbit, but you need to learn grounding/rooting NOW
(get the Qigong Fundamentals 3-4 package). Learn that, and also
learn movement qigong. Any of the individual qigong videos–say
from Qigong Fundamentals 1,2,3, or 4–would be great to use to
learn movement qigong.Books are not going to teach you movement qigong. You really
need either a video or a live teacher. Besides, books are
really just another mental exercise (part of the problem)– you
need to have someone show you how to get into your body and
out of your head.Movement qigong will calm your mind, and is probably more
important for you right now than meditation, and would be
a faster path out of your head.Any of the grounding/rooting exercises will connect to you
the yin of the Earth. Rather than taking a yang approach of
trying to “take from the Earth”, you send your consciousness
down to it and the yin will rise up.And, of course, any movement qigong will help you in this regard
as well . . .S
Is Bone Marrow Nei Kung a good form of grounding?
How about Iron shirt Chi Kung? Is it a good form of rooting?
If I focus on these two would it be enough?
I’d avoid Bone Marrow Nei Kung for the time being.
The practices are good, but amplify the qi in your body and
also induce some detoxification stresses which you really
aren’t in a good position to process in my opinion *at this point*.
(This is Iron Shirt III, by the way)The Iron Shirt practices from Iron Shirt Chi Kung (i.e. Iron Shirt I)
aren’t bad for grounding and rooting–and in fact, a chunk of
QF4 is really just baby Iron Shirt–however QF3&4 would be much
better for you. The practices in QF3&4 are much more yin.Iron Shirt is a much more yang, more martial approach. Moreover, the
Iron Shirt book mainly just has standing postures–and I really
think you need some movement qigong to help you get out of your head.
Moreover, since Iron Shirt is really martial, some of the exercises
in the Iron Shirt book can be somewhat dangerous if you do them
incorrectly. Chi packing is one example. In fact, except for
certain specific situations, I wouldn’t recommend doing that at all.Look, do yourself a favor and stay away from these books–instead
spend a little more and get the DVD/CD programs Michael offers here or
find a live teacher. The instruction will be more appropriate
to really what you need and there’s less concern about learning something
dangerous.S
Hello
I can´t realy tell so much about bone marrow, beacase I haven´t done much myself. My feeling is though that the only thing you realy need to do is learn one form from the Iron Shirt, perhaps the tree stance, which is a good rooting exercise. This toghether with any moving form I think would be greate for you. There is no much need to do to advanced things, which to want to do them before the basics is another symtom of being a mental type!
Perhaps the moving form is the most important beacase it helps you as a mental type to go into your body, you have to be in the body, otherways you not know what you are doing. It is more easy to stay in the head while doing standing exercises from the iron shirt, even though the exercises themself helps you move away from the head.
I can´t realy say that you should read Mantak Chias Iron shirt books, beacase they are wery detailed, and it would be dificult to learn from them without a teacher. You get lost in the jungle.
I myslelf will practise alot Iron Shirt with my yoga group, and we work from Eric Steven Yudeloves book, “Taoist yoga and sexual enegy”. There the explanations are more straight ahead and it is possible to learn from the book. But most of all I still recomend you to have a live teacher, the feed back on your exercises is unvaluable. It is easy to be completely wrong if you are own your own.
For me Hatha yoga exercises are wery good way to move away from my head. Beacase this stretching of the body realy moves yuo into it, if you focus on the feelings inside of the body. But on the other side I do think that qigong is more good for you now than Indian yoga, beacase qigong realy emphasize rooting.
Good luck
S D
Is Qi Gong really is safe?
http://users.erols.com/dantao/qigongdeviation.html
I was advised that absorbing earth Qi might not be a good idea for it may cause insanity.
The only similarity of the many advise I get is I should get an experienced teacher. I guess that is the best choice.
No books, no CDs or DVDs. I will need a master that will talk to me and will understand what I am feeling.
What a waste. All I did is following what I read on a book that I bought in a bookstore thinking it will add benefits to my life and this fucked up jing is what I get. Now that I am trapped and desperate, I am getting forced to buy this, buy that, spend time with this practice and more bullshit.
What a fucking awesome marketing strategy.
Sorry I really had to get that out of my chest. I am not mad at you guys (SD and Steven) I thank you for your help. I am just so disappointed with what I am going through right now.
>Is Qi Gong really is safe?
>http://users.erols.com/dantao/qigongdeviation.htmlThe article is a little extreme I think.
Most qi deviation is not too terribly difficult to fix, given the
right direction and persistence. It does take some work, but
is not so fatalistic as in your article.>I was advised that absorbing earth Qi might not be a good idea
>for it may cause insanity.Not if you go to the Earth rather than trying to bring the Earth to you.
Most of the problems people get in this case come because people try to
pull Earth qi up, and–having no knowledge of the orbit–it goes
straight into the head and gets stuck there.Basically this is sort of the same problem as what you have.
Too much energy stuck in the head.The solution is basically the same.
Do the orbit. Do grounding and rooting to bring the energy down.
Do movement qigong to get into the body and out of the head.This is really what you need; you just need instruction/demonstration
on how to do it.>>The only similarity of the many advise I get is
>>I should get an experienced teacher.
>>I guess that is the best choice.That’s the best choice of course.
>>No books, no CDs or DVDs.
>>I will need a master that will talk to me and
>>will understand what I am feeling.Somewhere where you can get direct instruction and feedback anyhow.
DVDs and CDs can be a useful tool _IF_ you are told which exercises you
need to learn. DVDs and CDs can be useful to teach specific exercises,
but not so good for feedback. This is why I was recommending them if
you can’t get a live teacher.Books, however, are nearly worthless for learning.
Most of it is head knowledge and will not help you achieve any true
understanding; moreover, it is easy to either learn incorrectly
or learn the wrong things creating problems. The ONLY thing
a book should be used for–with regard to this stuff–is to serve
as a reference when you need to look something up AFTER you’ve
learned the material.>>What a waste. All I did is following what I read on a book
>>that I bought in a bookstore thinking it will add benefits
>>to my life and this fucked up jing is what I get.
>>Now that I am trapped and desperate, I am getting forced to buy this,
>>buy that, spend time with this practice and more bullshit.
>>What a fucking awesome marketing strategy.I know its frustrating, but I don’t think there was any deliberate
malice intended by the authors/publishers of these books–just a
desire to see the knowledge spread . . . similar to someone writing
a book on surfing, and then someone getting hurt after reading the book.
Of course, not your fault either since you didn’t know the
potential problems of what you were doing.This is the problem with describing these things in text.
This is also the reason why my advice tends to be one of directing
people to the exercises they should learn RATHER than trying
to describe in text step-by-step instructions on how to do the
exercises. I know that pisses some people off, who like to
respond with saying how my advice isn’t helpful, but I’m a person
who really tries to apply a safe approach and I don’t want someone
trying something without having complete guidance in doing it–and
then making the problem worse. If I can’t show someone directly,
I’d rather tell them where they can get it.Best,
S“Is Qi Gong really is safe?
http://users.erols.com/dantao/qigongdeviation.html
I was advised that absorbing earth Qi might not be a good idea for it may cause insanity.”
I have no time for the moment to read that article. I think that the benefits usually from qigong and grounding practises is very esential and very beneficial. If doing energy work the wrong way it could be dangerous. Most grounding practises are safe and in reality one of the safeties in many system. So not bother this advice. There are alot information out there if listening to everything no practise is safe. Doing it the way Steven says, going into the earth, and not trying to much, is the way I think for you to ballance your imballance. Earth is ying and ballancing and healing in it self. But anyway the yin from the earth is forceful, so start moderately and if it fells good do some more. This is always a good aproach to this kind of practises.
“The only similarity of the many advise I get is I should get an experienced teacher. I guess that is the best choice.”
Of course especially since you have problems. Perhaps also an acupuncturist could help you.
“No books, no CDs or DVDs. I will need a master that will talk to me and will understand what I am feeling.”
Masters are dificult to find. Use what is available to you in the moment. Use what you can afford in your present situation. Books are good beacase they are cheap. DVD´s on standing exercises might be the thing that can help you. The best is to find a teacher in qigong, not necessarily a master. You will notice yourself if the person are able to help you out. Does hes sugestion help you, stay with hem/her doens it not help you move on.
“What a waste. All I did is following what I read on a book that I bought in a bookstore thinking it will add benefits to my life and this fucked up jing is what I get. Now that I am trapped and desperate, I am getting forced to buy this, buy that, spend time with this practice and more bullshit.
What a fucking awesome marketing strategy.”
I see you are wery frustrated. Perhaps at the time being you don´t see what benefits all this might give you in the end. I know beacase I have been fighting with a terrible decise for the last ten years. A somewhat equal situation. You are in the situation you are in, your life is like this for the moment. And you have to go in right into it and deal with it in some way. Sorry! And I think it is just the thing you also are doing. 🙂
“Sorry I really had to get that out of my chest. I am not mad at you guys (SD and Steven) I thank you for your help. I am just so disappointed with what I am going through right now. ”
No problem. The pain have to be channeled at any direction from time to time. 🙂
S D
Thanks for the understanding guys.
I was thinking. Maybe there are other solutions other than more techniques and practice?
People are able to live and solve problems without even knowing these things. In many times I encountered situations where complicated problems are solved by simple solutions.
Example, when it comes to strenghtening our muscles, I realized after trying stuff, all you need to do is to simply be physically active and train just using your body and trust on your own testosterone and genes. Push ups, sit ups and squats and doing alot of repetitions. That’s it. Just like the animals of the forest. All the hype of supplements and this and that weight lifting machines are useless and expensive because it makes you big but not strong and sustainable. Heck, the simple carpenters are big and strong and they dont drink protein drinks and doesnt waste hours in the gym.
For sickness, its all about stress and nutrition. Heck, even a terminally ill cancer patient can be cured by simply eating right.
For depression and emotional baggages and addiction by just conciously deciding to interrupt the pattern and start anew is enough. My Dad quit smoking that way.
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How about an advise for simplicity? For example the manual said that eating a heavy grain diet will help in my condition. Well I always eat rice like three times a day. So I should like double the amount I am taking? I can definitely do that.
How about going out, lying on the grass and do a spread eagle and just relax? Could the jing somehow be absorbed by the earth that way?
I can always jog in the morning. Is that enough?
How about laughing out loud? I can always find comedy videos or laugh with my brother’s jokes.
If I had to do some little meditation, would guiding the jing down to my soles and vent them with the venting exercise would help?
I can do all these like wake up in the morning, drink water and eat my toasted bread, jog, lie on the grass, go home and eat my rice and have a good time.
I am beginning think doing all these qi jong/standing practice are no longer necessary unless I will need a special benefit like having supernatural powers to increase my survivalibility.
Hello
Maybe. I have gone to many specialists for treatment on my illness, real doctors and acupunturists herbalist and much more. And I have been spending a quite big amount of money each month to try to find a solution. It occured to me that the things that did cost the most didn´t help me much, but the things that didn´t cost much did help me. For instance meditation and relaxation helped for the tiredness, and garlic have been the best thing for my cold syndrome, actually nothing else have helped so far!
Well the thing is that the simple things are much more easy to do, and from that comes theire big streangth. My aproach have often been to do the simple things first and if they not have been enough try out some of the more complex.
If you want to try everything you wrote about it´s fine. I like all solutions exept eating the double amount of rise. Moderation is often a key. If you want to start with thís and see what happens. To be grounded and rooted comes not only from standing practises even though they are greate.
Still I recomend you to do some moving qigong, but I don´t think it is the only way.
Good luck to you again.
S D
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