Tao Alchemists Great Denial?

Hi Bagua,

>>We are not currently Immortal and Eternal!<<

*That's because they have the view of the ego-self, which is illusionary. The true self is immortal. If only they abided in wu-hsin (non-mindedness) would wu-wei manifest and truly then, would they understand that there is a supreme commander beyond ego that is immortal.

The big issue is false self vs. true self like Michael has pointed out. I hope we can penetrate deeper into the matter.

Fajin

It is all to do with what you think the point is of being alive here and now in a human body. Can you answer that one? Don’t think about doctrines and sutras, just answer!

… at this point I have no wish to enter the argument per se, but I would like to give you a nice quote to chew on, from Franz Bardon’s ‘Practice of Magical Evocation’. I think you will find it interesting; I don’t think it will change your minds though, because you are very decided!

Still check this out:

>>It is decided in the higher spheres whether the magician wishes to attain the highest perfection or if he wishes to become a saint. A magician who strives for the highest perfection is the highest and greatest lord in creation, because he actually symbolizes the complete and entire image of God in all its aspects. A saint remains with one aspect and he perfects himself in this aspect. He becomes a part of this aspect and, when the perfection of this aspect eventually comes into being within him, ***he loses his perfected individuality***. The highest perfection that a human being can ever achieve is that of a true sovereign, a true magician, thus actually representing a perfect image of God, ***whereby he never loses and never relinquishes his individuality***.<<

[p. 120, my emph.]

NN

Hi Bagua,

We are our true self. We are congenital mind-will. We are yuan shen. What alchemists reject is this. They say that you are the personality (false you) and it dies out when your body dies and the chance for an immortal self is lost. The ego-self is not you, that is just part of “you.” Not a separate self. 5 shen are like 5 empty cups, when we are born, they begin to fill and are no longer useful. Why are empty cups useful? Because they can be filled!

So yes, like you said, we DO have the capacity to attach to things and cling to them and our primordial self is lost and we cultivate to empty the “5 cups.” Emptiness, our original nature.

Smiles,
Fajin

Are you coming to Wudang this weekend? The 28 Taiji form has no fajin movements, it is slow and has mostly martial characteristics but many circular hand movements and straight kicks done slowly. If you are doing it just for good health, you don’t need to know it, it’s not very important.

Although, Wudang forms do bring about strong qi circulation, but you’ve got what you need. If you want, I can come to California and teach you some forms when I get back from China one day. My pleasure.

Smiles,
Fajin