The Human Soul: What is it and does it exist in relation to TAO

Yes, I can hardly sleep. Something is missing. (Liked your answer anyway)

YOu say a person well evolved in white magick should propably not change to black magick.

Or even more less to poor magick, I belive, or using magick without skill as you said. In that sence Michaels explanation makes more sence to me, that he tried black magick and someting get wrong. But my feeling is that neither of the explanations is true. Some pice somewhere is missing and I don’t know what it is?

By the way where is the guy for the moment? What is his story. Or if he is ill who cares for him. Maybe the story isn’t for the public, beacase of some reason. Anyway it’s of interest for the cultivators in this system.

I don’t know but perhaps this story of Yudelove was your first contact with him. I have had another first descripion of this man. Neither of us have met him.

Information as I remeber it. Some details might be wrong:
when Mantak chia arived to the states he met Yudelove quite imiditely. Yudelove had already then in the early 80s greate knowledge of kabbalah, jewich kabbalah and hebrew and also christian or western kabbalah. Hi also had some experiences with taoist yoga since the earlie 70 ties, but only from books I guess. He was one of the first or the first non Chinese to take lessons from Chia. He was also chias lawyer. Yudelove did evolve quite quckly in the healing tao system. He also did have knowledge from the schamanistic tradition. Eventually he had reach a level , as far as I have read, paralell to Mantak Chia and in some instances was well ahead of Chia. Chia wondered how did you do this formula and Yudelove explained it to Chia. How could you do this Mantak Chia asked. -well I have some contacts with the immortal ones learning me new formulas.

This is the person you telling me using magick without greate skill.

Imagining someone told you about this article about what seems to have happened in New york but exchange the name to for instant Mantak Chia or Michal winn or somebody else of greate knowledge in this system. A bit schocking maybe!

Then let somebody tell you well Chia or Winn wasn’t especially skilled in what he was doing. Of course people are judged after therire results. If results bad then people judge he was not skilled. If results good people judge he was wery skilled. Theire are as I can see no other way to tell skiller or not skilled. Is it the right way to judge a persons skill from the results? Not shore.

Then I ask you who is skilled?

If not skilled how can you lose your skill if you sometime have got it?

Of course anybody can get crazy in some sense. As far as I know about Yudelove his wife died before this story from New York. Don’t know about the time span exactly. Could be years or months.

Just a feeling something in some of this informations about Yudelove is completely wrong. Thats why I can’t leave the matter.

S Dragon

>>i have always liked the Khabs model… <>i guess the point is whether any of it is real<<

I don't understand mate. You like the model but have no experience of its truth? Then why do you like it?

The things I was giving are true from my own experience. j

… it all corresponds to Leary as well if you notice. Most people say there are either seven or eight bodies or minds depending on how you count, not just him.

Many Buddhists say there are seven bodies or eight minds. Frantzis says eight bodies. Not sure what Michael says.

The ‘soul’ technically in magical parlance means those bodies which are not (*normally* ^_^) immortal – the lower 2, 3, or 4, depending on how you count. These are the mental astral and physical bodies of Bardon.

The 8 minds or ‘consciousnesses’ as Leary calls them are the same thing as the bodies – each body is a mind and each mind is a body. They have all been observed first-hand throughout the ages by many methods, many of which are now on public show for us to practice. Furthermore, the methods differ wildly but come to similar conclusions about what they find. Sounds like ‘science’ to me – the observation has been tested by many experimental methodologies and found to be consistent.

Christ knew all this of course. 🙂

j

Healing of what?

It seems to me some taoists understand it is the Yi, intellect, thinking mind that creates this polarity, quiet the intellect/mind, seek who is it that is suffering, when you find it please show it to me? If you cant find it and show it to me then it is a passing thing, truly know this and you are free from suffering and now in a space to live from a spontaneously.

regards,
bagua

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