We are ALL children of God

Master is a title that was bestowed on me by Master Chia after I finished writing my 3rd book “Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy” in 1999.
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Can you share who made M. Chia a master?
Can you guide us to where on his website or any literature he grants you a Master level?

By the way, something you might not know. Before there even was a Healing Tao, Master Chia called and advertised his system as “Taoist Esoteric Yoga”.
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I am fully aware of this.

As far as sexual practices are concerned in the authentic old books, they are generally regarded as being of equal importance as internal alchemy because they provide energy neccesary to continue with the practices well into old age.
***************
My point was there is no consensus all the ancients emphasized sexual practices were equal to qi gong/nei gong/formulas or living a natural life. Lao Zi, Chaung Zi, etc. do not emphasize them. Of course there is a branch that does, as recent as the Dragon Gate System of Tao, southern and northern branches split on this.

I am currently in the White Mountains and not near my library, or I would quote from a number of sources. But I did a lot of research on this matter and this was what I found. Realistically, all of Chia’s alchemical formulas starting with lesser Kan & Li are sexually based, just not necessarily sex as is commonly understood. The universe itself can be considered as being the result of sexuality on a much higher level.
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Its interesting you and M. Chia tend to describe this process as sex or sexual, it seems an obsession, the filtering lense for this process of transformation. To view all interactions as sex or sexual does reveal much.

Chia only learned the alchemical formulas from White Cloud. He travelled all over the Orient learning from other teachers as well.
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How do you know he learned them from White Cloud and what exactly was learned and what was added on over the years?

As far as desire for immortality is concerned, the words I quoted were not my own but from the “Hua Hu Ching” considered to be oral teachings of Lao Tzu. I can see how it can be a tricky subject. I guess I’d interpret it as saying if you start out with your main goal being immortality or this becomes your real aim, your motivations are selfish and poor.
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Did M. Chia have a desire for being an immortal? Did you, do all the people who practice these methods? Are they all greedy? Its interesting you took his genuine concern to the extreme of greed, I took it differently, just a concern for having an desire, a buddhist might say even desire for enlightenment can be a barrier to it.

But so far, I’m the only master that Chia ever made. Michael says they changed the rules after me. I don’t know. To me it really just signifies a level of attainment, like a high degree blackbelt. This carries a lot of responsibility.
Chia
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Really.

If what you says is true he granted you a master of a book you wrote, he did not make you a master of the healing tao, why is that?

regards,
bagua

Eric Yudelove

Master is a title that was bestowed on me by Master Chia after I finished writing my 3rd book “Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy” in 1999.
*******************************
Can you share who made M. Chia a master?
Can you guide us to where on his website or any literature he grants you a Master level?

By the way, something you might not know. Before there even was a Healing Tao, Master Chia called and advertised his system as “Taoist Esoteric Yoga”.
***************
I am fully aware of this.

As far as sexual practices are concerned in the authentic old books, they are generally regarded as being of equal importance as internal alchemy because they provide energy neccesary to continue with the practices well into old age.
***************
My point was there is no consensus all the ancients emphasized sexual practices were equal to qi gong/nei gong/formulas or living a natural life. Lao Zi, Chaung Zi, etc. do not emphasize them. Of course there is a branch that does, as recent as the Dragon Gate System of Tao, southern and northern branches split on this.

I am currently in the White Mountains and not near my library, or I would quote from a number of sources. But I did a lot of research on this matter and this was what I found. Realistically, all of Chia’s alchemical formulas starting with lesser Kan & Li are sexually based, just not necessarily sex as is commonly understood. The universe itself can be considered as being the result of sexuality on a much higher level.
************************
Its interesting you and M. Chia tend to describe this process as sex or sexual, it seems an obsession, the filtering lense for this process of transformation. To view all interactions as sex or sexual does reveal much.

Chia only learned the alchemical formulas from White Cloud. He travelled all over the Orient learning from other teachers as well.
*********************
How do you know he learned them from White Cloud and what exactly was learned and what was added on over the years?

As far as desire for immortality is concerned, the words I quoted were not my own but from the “Hua Hu Ching” considered to be oral teachings of Lao Tzu. I can see how it can be a tricky subject. I guess I’d interpret it as saying if you start out with your main goal being immortality or this becomes your real aim, your motivations are selfish and poor.
*************************************
Did M. Chia have a desire for being an immortal? Did you, do all the people who practice these methods? Are they all greedy? Its interesting you took his genuine concern to the extreme of greed, I took it differently, just a concern for having an desire, a buddhist might say even desire for enlightenment can be a barrier to it.

But so far, I’m the only master that Chia ever made. Michael says they changed the rules after me. I don’t know. To me it really just signifies a level of attainment, like a high degree blackbelt. This carries a lot of responsibility.
Chia
*******************************
Really.

If what you says is true he granted you a master of a book you wrote, he did not make you a master of the healing tao, why is that?

regards,
bagua

Eric Yudelove

Master is a title that was bestowed on me by Master Chia after I finished writing my 3rd book “Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy” in 1999.
*******************************
Can you share who made M. Chia a master?
Can you guide us to where on his website or any literature he grants you a Master level?

By the way, something you might not know. Before there even was a Healing Tao, Master Chia called and advertised his system as “Taoist Esoteric Yoga”.
***************
I am fully aware of this.

As far as sexual practices are concerned in the authentic old books, they are generally regarded as being of equal importance as internal alchemy because they provide energy neccesary to continue with the practices well into old age.
***************
My point was there is no consensus all the ancients emphasized sexual practices were equal to qi gong/nei gong/formulas or living a natural life. Lao Zi, Chaung Zi, etc. do not emphasize them. Of course there is a branch that does, as recent as the Dragon Gate System of Tao, southern and northern branches split on this.

I am currently in the White Mountains and not near my library, or I would quote from a number of sources. But I did a lot of research on this matter and this was what I found. Realistically, all of Chia’s alchemical formulas starting with lesser Kan & Li are sexually based, just not necessarily sex as is commonly understood. The universe itself can be considered as being the result of sexuality on a much higher level.
************************
Its interesting you and M. Chia tend to describe this process as sex or sexual, it seems an obsession, the filtering lense for this process of transformation. To view all interactions as sex or sexual does reveal much.

Chia only learned the alchemical formulas from White Cloud. He travelled all over the Orient learning from other teachers as well.
*********************
How do you know he learned them from White Cloud and what exactly was learned and what was added on over the years?

As far as desire for immortality is concerned, the words I quoted were not my own but from the “Hua Hu Ching” considered to be oral teachings of Lao Tzu. I can see how it can be a tricky subject. I guess I’d interpret it as saying if you start out with your main goal being immortality or this becomes your real aim, your motivations are selfish and poor.
*************************************
Did M. Chia have a desire for being an immortal? Did you, do all the people who practice these methods? Are they all greedy? Its interesting you took his genuine concern to the extreme of greed, I took it differently, just a concern for having an desire, a buddhist might say even desire for enlightenment can be a barrier to it.

But so far, I’m the only master that Chia ever made. Michael says they changed the rules after me. I don’t know. To me it really just signifies a level of attainment, like a high degree blackbelt. This carries a lot of responsibility.
Chia
*******************************
Really.

If what you says is true he granted you a master of a book you wrote, he did not make you a master of the healing tao, why is that?

regards,
bagua

Eric Yudelove

Master is a title that was bestowed on me by Master Chia after I finished writing my 3rd book “Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy” in 1999.
*******************************
Can you share who made M. Chia a master?
Can you guide us to where on his website or any literature he grants you a Master level?

By the way, something you might not know. Before there even was a Healing Tao, Master Chia called and advertised his system as “Taoist Esoteric Yoga”.
***************
I am fully aware of this.

As far as sexual practices are concerned in the authentic old books, they are generally regarded as being of equal importance as internal alchemy because they provide energy neccesary to continue with the practices well into old age.
***************
My point was there is no consensus all the ancients emphasized sexual practices were equal to qi gong/nei gong/formulas or living a natural life. Lao Zi, Chaung Zi, etc. do not emphasize them. Of course there is a branch that does, as recent as the Dragon Gate System of Tao, southern and northern branches split on this.

I am currently in the White Mountains and not near my library, or I would quote from a number of sources. But I did a lot of research on this matter and this was what I found. Realistically, all of Chia’s alchemical formulas starting with lesser Kan & Li are sexually based, just not necessarily sex as is commonly understood. The universe itself can be considered as being the result of sexuality on a much higher level.
************************
Its interesting you and M. Chia tend to describe this process as sex or sexual, it seems an obsession, the filtering lense for this process of transformation. To view all interactions as sex or sexual does reveal much.

Chia only learned the alchemical formulas from White Cloud. He travelled all over the Orient learning from other teachers as well.
*********************
How do you know he learned them from White Cloud and what exactly was learned and what was added on over the years?

As far as desire for immortality is concerned, the words I quoted were not my own but from the “Hua Hu Ching” considered to be oral teachings of Lao Tzu. I can see how it can be a tricky subject. I guess I’d interpret it as saying if you start out with your main goal being immortality or this becomes your real aim, your motivations are selfish and poor.
*************************************
Did M. Chia have a desire for being an immortal? Did you, do all the people who practice these methods? Are they all greedy? Its interesting you took his genuine concern to the extreme of greed, I took it differently, just a concern for having an desire, a buddhist might say even desire for enlightenment can be a barrier to it.

But so far, I’m the only master that Chia ever made. Michael says they changed the rules after me. I don’t know. To me it really just signifies a level of attainment, like a high degree blackbelt. This carries a lot of responsibility.
Chia
*******************************
Really.

If what you says is true he granted you a master of a book you wrote, he did not make you a master of the healing tao, why is that?

regards,
bagua

Eric Yudelove

Master is a title that was bestowed on me by Master Chia after I finished writing my 3rd book “Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy” in 1999.
*******************************
Can you share who made M. Chia a master?
Can you guide us to where on his website or any literature he grants you a Master level?

By the way, something you might not know. Before there even was a Healing Tao, Master Chia called and advertised his system as “Taoist Esoteric Yoga”.
***************
I am fully aware of this.

As far as sexual practices are concerned in the authentic old books, they are generally regarded as being of equal importance as internal alchemy because they provide energy neccesary to continue with the practices well into old age.
***************
My point was there is no consensus all the ancients emphasized sexual practices were equal to qi gong/nei gong/formulas or living a natural life. Lao Zi, Chaung Zi, etc. do not emphasize them. Of course there is a branch that does, as recent as the Dragon Gate System of Tao, southern and northern branches split on this.

I am currently in the White Mountains and not near my library, or I would quote from a number of sources. But I did a lot of research on this matter and this was what I found. Realistically, all of Chia’s alchemical formulas starting with lesser Kan & Li are sexually based, just not necessarily sex as is commonly understood. The universe itself can be considered as being the result of sexuality on a much higher level.
************************
Its interesting you and M. Chia tend to describe this process as sex or sexual, it seems an obsession, the filtering lense for this process of transformation. To view all interactions as sex or sexual does reveal much.

Chia only learned the alchemical formulas from White Cloud. He travelled all over the Orient learning from other teachers as well.
*********************
How do you know he learned them from White Cloud and what exactly was learned and what was added on over the years?

As far as desire for immortality is concerned, the words I quoted were not my own but from the “Hua Hu Ching” considered to be oral teachings of Lao Tzu. I can see how it can be a tricky subject. I guess I’d interpret it as saying if you start out with your main goal being immortality or this becomes your real aim, your motivations are selfish and poor.
*************************************
Did M. Chia have a desire for being an immortal? Did you, do all the people who practice these methods? Are they all greedy? Its interesting you took his genuine concern to the extreme of greed, I took it differently, just a concern for having an desire, a buddhist might say even desire for enlightenment can be a barrier to it.

But so far, I’m the only master that Chia ever made. Michael says they changed the rules after me. I don’t know. To me it really just signifies a level of attainment, like a high degree blackbelt. This carries a lot of responsibility.
Chia
*******************************
Really.

If what you says is true he granted you a master of a book you wrote, he did not make you a master of the healing tao, why is that?

regards,
bagua

Eric Yudelove

Master is a title that was bestowed on me by Master Chia after I finished writing my 3rd book “Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy” in 1999.
*******************************
Can you share who made M. Chia a master?
Can you guide us to where on his website or any literature he grants you a Master level?

As far as I know White Cloud.

He actually named me a master before I finished this book. He writes all about it in the Introduction. Read it. He also gave me a Certificate, which hangs on my wall in NY. Right now I’m in the White Mountains of New Hampshire.

As far as sexual practices are concerned in the authentic old books, they are generally regarded as being of equal importance as internal alchemy because they provide energy neccesary to continue with the practices well into old age.
***************
My point was there is no consensus all the ancients emphasized sexual practices were equal to qi gong/nei gong/formulas or living a natural life. Lao Zi, Chaung Zi, etc. do not emphasize them. Of course there is a branch that does, as recent as the Dragon Gate System of Tao, southern and northern branches split on this.

There were schools that practiced internal alchemy and there were schools that didn’t. It sounds like you’ve read too much Thomas Cleary. As far as I’m concerned, I’ve read many of his translations and don’t think he has a clue about Internal Alchemy. The two authors you mention do not discuss Internal Alchemy, they deal with Taoist philosophy.

I am currently in the White Mountains and not near my library, or I would quote from a number of sources. But I did a lot of research on this matter and this was what I found. Realistically, all of Chia’s alchemical formulas starting with lesser Kan & Li are sexually based, just not necessarily sex as is commonly understood. The universe itself can be considered as being the result of sexuality on a much higher level.
************************
Its interesting you and M. Chia tend to describe this process as sex or sexual, it seems an obsession, the filtering lense for this process of transformation. To view all interactions as sex or sexual does reveal much.

It’s not an obsession. Do a little reading from the alchemical classics. The origin of the universe that eminated from the Tai Chi was Yin and Yang. What do you think that means? The birth of the universe is the archetype of sexuality.

Chia only learned the alchemical formulas from White Cloud. He travelled all over the Orient learning from other teachers as well.
*********************
How do you know he learned them from White Cloud and what exactly was learned and what was added on over the years?

He told me. As for the rest, you can ask him yourself. You sound like a prosecutor.

As far as desire for immortality is concerned, the words I quoted were not my own but from the “Hua Hu Ching” considered to be oral teachings of Lao Tzu. I can see how it can be a tricky subject. I guess I’d interpret it as saying if you start out with your main goal being immortality or this becomes your real aim, your motivations are selfish and poor.
*************************************
Did M. Chia have a desire for being an immortal? Did you, do all the people who practice these methods? Are they all greedy? Its interesting you took his genuine concern to the extreme of greed, I took it differently, just a concern for having an desire, a buddhist might say even desire for enlightenment can be a barrier to it.

I didn’t take anything to the extreme of greed. You left out the rest of the paragraph.
“Consider the qualities of virtue and how they should affect your practice, the betterment of mankind and not solely personal development, should be of primary importance. Other factors include your own spiritual level at birth, which would be based on karma and past lives, your parents and who knows what else.”
Do you have something against Virtue?

But so far, I’m the only master that Chia ever made. Michael says they changed the rules after me. I don’t know. To me it really just signifies a level of attainment, like a high degree blackbelt. This carries a lot of responsibility.
Chia
*******************************
Really.

If what you says is true he granted you a master of a book you wrote, he did not make you a master of the healing tao, why is that?

Chia is Master of the Healing Tao. I am simply a Tao Master not master of a book I wrote. I had no desire to be a master in an organization or do it for money. To me that is very unTaoist. I am basically a Taoist hermit.

Please couch future questions , if you have them, without the implication that I might be lying. I don’t do that.

I have a question: What are your accomplishments that make you think it is OK to take such a haughty attitude?

Master Eric Yudelove

Master is a title that was bestowed on me by Master Chia after I finished writing my 3rd book “Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy” in 1999.
*******************************
Can you share who made M. Chia a master?
Can you guide us to where on his website or any literature he grants you a Master level?

As far as I know White Cloud.

He actually named me a master before I finished this book. He writes all about it in the Introduction. Read it. He also gave me a Certificate, which hangs on my wall in NY. Right now I’m in the White Mountains of New Hampshire.

As far as sexual practices are concerned in the authentic old books, they are generally regarded as being of equal importance as internal alchemy because they provide energy neccesary to continue with the practices well into old age.
***************
My point was there is no consensus all the ancients emphasized sexual practices were equal to qi gong/nei gong/formulas or living a natural life. Lao Zi, Chaung Zi, etc. do not emphasize them. Of course there is a branch that does, as recent as the Dragon Gate System of Tao, southern and northern branches split on this.

There were schools that practiced internal alchemy and there were schools that didn’t. It sounds like you’ve read too much Thomas Cleary. As far as I’m concerned, I’ve read many of his translations and don’t think he has a clue about Internal Alchemy. The two authors you mention do not discuss Internal Alchemy, they deal with Taoist philosophy.

I am currently in the White Mountains and not near my library, or I would quote from a number of sources. But I did a lot of research on this matter and this was what I found. Realistically, all of Chia’s alchemical formulas starting with lesser Kan & Li are sexually based, just not necessarily sex as is commonly understood. The universe itself can be considered as being the result of sexuality on a much higher level.
************************
Its interesting you and M. Chia tend to describe this process as sex or sexual, it seems an obsession, the filtering lense for this process of transformation. To view all interactions as sex or sexual does reveal much.

It’s not an obsession. Do a little reading from the alchemical classics. The origin of the universe that eminated from the Tai Chi was Yin and Yang. What do you think that means? The birth of the universe is the archetype of sexuality.

Chia only learned the alchemical formulas from White Cloud. He travelled all over the Orient learning from other teachers as well.
*********************
How do you know he learned them from White Cloud and what exactly was learned and what was added on over the years?

He told me. As for the rest, you can ask him yourself. You sound like a prosecutor.

As far as desire for immortality is concerned, the words I quoted were not my own but from the “Hua Hu Ching” considered to be oral teachings of Lao Tzu. I can see how it can be a tricky subject. I guess I’d interpret it as saying if you start out with your main goal being immortality or this becomes your real aim, your motivations are selfish and poor.
*************************************
Did M. Chia have a desire for being an immortal? Did you, do all the people who practice these methods? Are they all greedy? Its interesting you took his genuine concern to the extreme of greed, I took it differently, just a concern for having an desire, a buddhist might say even desire for enlightenment can be a barrier to it.

I didn’t take anything to the extreme of greed. You left out the rest of the paragraph.
“Consider the qualities of virtue and how they should affect your practice, the betterment of mankind and not solely personal development, should be of primary importance. Other factors include your own spiritual level at birth, which would be based on karma and past lives, your parents and who knows what else.”
Do you have something against Virtue?

But so far, I’m the only master that Chia ever made. Michael says they changed the rules after me. I don’t know. To me it really just signifies a level of attainment, like a high degree blackbelt. This carries a lot of responsibility.
Chia
*******************************
Really.

If what you says is true he granted you a master of a book you wrote, he did not make you a master of the healing tao, why is that?

Chia is Master of the Healing Tao. I am simply a Tao Master not master of a book I wrote. I had no desire to be a master in an organization or do it for money. To me that is very unTaoist. I am basically a Taoist hermit.

Please couch future questions , if you have them, without the implication that I might be lying. I don’t do that.

I have a question: What are your accomplishments that make you think it is OK to take such a haughty attitude?

Master Eric Yudelove

Master is a title that was bestowed on me by Master Chia after I finished writing my 3rd book “Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy” in 1999.
*******************************
Can you share who made M. Chia a master?
Can you guide us to where on his website or any literature he grants you a Master level?

As far as I know White Cloud.

He actually named me a master before I finished this book. He writes all about it in the Introduction. Read it. He also gave me a Certificate, which hangs on my wall in NY. Right now I’m in the White Mountains of New Hampshire.

As far as sexual practices are concerned in the authentic old books, they are generally regarded as being of equal importance as internal alchemy because they provide energy neccesary to continue with the practices well into old age.
***************
My point was there is no consensus all the ancients emphasized sexual practices were equal to qi gong/nei gong/formulas or living a natural life. Lao Zi, Chaung Zi, etc. do not emphasize them. Of course there is a branch that does, as recent as the Dragon Gate System of Tao, southern and northern branches split on this.

There were schools that practiced internal alchemy and there were schools that didn’t. It sounds like you’ve read too much Thomas Cleary. As far as I’m concerned, I’ve read many of his translations and don’t think he has a clue about Internal Alchemy. The two authors you mention do not discuss Internal Alchemy, they deal with Taoist philosophy.

I am currently in the White Mountains and not near my library, or I would quote from a number of sources. But I did a lot of research on this matter and this was what I found. Realistically, all of Chia’s alchemical formulas starting with lesser Kan & Li are sexually based, just not necessarily sex as is commonly understood. The universe itself can be considered as being the result of sexuality on a much higher level.
************************
Its interesting you and M. Chia tend to describe this process as sex or sexual, it seems an obsession, the filtering lense for this process of transformation. To view all interactions as sex or sexual does reveal much.

It’s not an obsession. Do a little reading from the alchemical classics. The origin of the universe that eminated from the Tai Chi was Yin and Yang. What do you think that means? The birth of the universe is the archetype of sexuality.

Chia only learned the alchemical formulas from White Cloud. He travelled all over the Orient learning from other teachers as well.
*********************
How do you know he learned them from White Cloud and what exactly was learned and what was added on over the years?

He told me. As for the rest, you can ask him yourself. You sound like a prosecutor.

As far as desire for immortality is concerned, the words I quoted were not my own but from the “Hua Hu Ching” considered to be oral teachings of Lao Tzu. I can see how it can be a tricky subject. I guess I’d interpret it as saying if you start out with your main goal being immortality or this becomes your real aim, your motivations are selfish and poor.
*************************************
Did M. Chia have a desire for being an immortal? Did you, do all the people who practice these methods? Are they all greedy? Its interesting you took his genuine concern to the extreme of greed, I took it differently, just a concern for having an desire, a buddhist might say even desire for enlightenment can be a barrier to it.

I didn’t take anything to the extreme of greed. You left out the rest of the paragraph.
“Consider the qualities of virtue and how they should affect your practice, the betterment of mankind and not solely personal development, should be of primary importance. Other factors include your own spiritual level at birth, which would be based on karma and past lives, your parents and who knows what else.”
Do you have something against Virtue?

But so far, I’m the only master that Chia ever made. Michael says they changed the rules after me. I don’t know. To me it really just signifies a level of attainment, like a high degree blackbelt. This carries a lot of responsibility.
Chia
*******************************
Really.

If what you says is true he granted you a master of a book you wrote, he did not make you a master of the healing tao, why is that?

Chia is Master of the Healing Tao. I am simply a Tao Master not master of a book I wrote. I had no desire to be a master in an organization or do it for money. To me that is very unTaoist. I am basically a Taoist hermit.

Please couch future questions , if you have them, without the implication that I might be lying. I don’t do that.

I have a question: What are your accomplishments that make you think it is OK to take such a haughty attitude?

Master Eric Yudelove