Weight Loss- Question for Michael

I’m in no position to judge Master Nan’s spiritual progress. My guess is he’s farther along the path than I am (way farther).

Regarding anything Plato or anyone else tells you about spiritual matters that seems miraculous or extraordinary, my advice is to note it but not rely on it.

There is A LOT of hyperbole and puffing and outright lying in these areas. I don’t think Plato’s a liar (at least not a huge one), but his bias is towards both making and believing (and repeating) extreme claims in order to justify some “truth” he wants to share.

I doubt he’s making up the Nan stories out of whole cloth, but he may just be repeating exagerations that were told to him. I mean, do you know that Michael Winn can walk though walls? WALK RIGHT THROUGH THEM. It’s absolutely true. I heard one of his starry eyed students say it once as plain fact, around a table of five people and NO ONE challenged him on it.

I doubt Michael would make that claim. Though he might have said something in a class that was taken by this guy as such a claim, and the guy is just repeating it as some established fact. Or the guy heard it from someone is repeating it. This is the sort of thing that leads to “my teacher is capable of feats that would blow your mind”.

In case you or anyone else is wondering, I think Plato is a fine guy. I’ve met him a few times and I like him. I just like to keep him intelectually honest and grounded in these discussions (or, what I view as intellectually honest and grounded).

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I have a question and I would really appreciate an open and honest answer. With transmission from a master is the student bound to the master’s beliefs and myself, I am so fearful of the master being connected to not so good energy. Truthfully when I practised with a so-called qigong master and we supposedly had a business, friendship, student/master relationship I could sense that there were times when he was different. When he connected to his master I guess. Only things is I believe he had 3 connections. His personality made very strong changes depending on what he was connected to. He had strong energy but he was also very sneaky. Wasn’t truthful at all. I did have some very great energetic shifts while studying with him but I cannot say that I understand everything what he did. I just felt that he used the groups energy to do what he wanted, such as healing a person who would pay for it. I believe he used our energy to do it, especially towards the end. I had energetic red flags up all over the place. My partner and I would leave class extremely tired and when my partner got sick and the “master” refused to even help him I just knew something was up. Other students got very tired also, and one ended up getting cancer. Just was wierd. Try standing up to this fella and telling him you don’t believe in his way and he can have his business records to look after himself. Try doing that and walking away from it without fear. There were so many htings that happened with his classes. THings I saw like the reptilian feet standing next to me during one meditation. They were huge orange and green feet. Kind of creepy. I asked the “master” about them. He refused to answer. I also had a “seeing” before I met him. Kind of strange. I had met this black man at my work and was helping him get connections for some studies in research hewanted to do. Anyways a couple of days later after I had asked the universe to send me a teacher, well I get this vision/dream of this very tall dark man and me in a huge room with a huge table. And on this table was bright coloured flowers and fruit. And I hear a voice saying “we will send you a teacher” “he will push hands with you, are you afraid”. I stood up to this man, just up to his chest, and I said “no”. I said to them, that I could not see but only hear, that I idd not have money to pay this teacher, but maybe I could give him food or something, maybe some cheese (go figure, it was a dream okay) and I could hear them laughing and they told me not to worry about it. When I looked up at this fellow, this tall guy in my dream who was to be my qigong master I guess I could see some of his black face rub off and underneath was kind of yellow skin with a mole. Well when chances and life bring this qigong master to where I live and I end up picking him up at the airport and his face is the same as in the dream, the face under the black mask, I thought it was intended to be. And on another part of this I ran into the black man I helped at work, I guess he had an accident a few nights before. HE was boiling rice and it exploded and he burnt his face but suprisingly enough he had no scarring. He was healing very well.

So now what I think happened is htat I had connected to this black man and somehow when he had the accident I brought him into my dream vision. And at this time this qigong master used this to enter my vision and portray himself — or someone did or maybe there really is a committee that gathered together to plan my training. I really don’t know. But I know that since this expeirence I am very, very leary of qigong masters and there has only been one in Tennessee that I trust completely, but he is white and is not well right now. He received transmision from an old lady, I bleiee she was Chinese. Anyways as he was helping her with his qigong she died as she died she touched him and opened his 3rd eye as she passed on. So his transmission was not intentional but it worked anyways.

So, well, my concern is that what if I choose the wrong master to transmit to me. What if that. Am I always tied to that master. Am I always bound to that?

THis so called qiogng master gave me a sheet of paper with invocations on it, said it would help protect me and bring me better finances. After I left this master I burnt the paper. Maybe what he was connected to was good but I don’t know that for sure. Another thing … when my friend from Tennessee came up to help us treat my friend and a student of this so called qiogng master of his cancer, as my friend was fading fast, as we sealed the room to begin the qigong healing I noticed something fly against the floor, and then as we sealed again the paper stuck to the side of the wall. After we were done the healing session I stepped over to the paper. My friend with the cancer said it was a paper wiht a recipe written on it that he was to burn and put the ashes in a “tea” to drink. I do not think this writing was connected to so good a thing for htis master had spoken once of others who could invoke “dead” to life by invoking a spirit to go in their body. Taht he knew of these things.
This so called qigong master whom we studied with also told my friend who was dying of cancer that if he stuck with him he would be healthy in 3 years. Well when I found out that my friend had paid for at least 12 plane trips to Vancouver for this “qigong master” and was paying him about $300 per healing session 2 to 3 times per week, I friggin well flipped.
The messsage I heard in my heart before I asked our friend in Tennessee to hlep us iwth our friend who was dying of cancer was to bring him home. I did not know what that meant for awhile,I get messages such as these. But I think now it meant for me to bring my dying friend back to his self. his essence. I believe this qigong master was using him financially and energetically. My friend lived another 6 months, but he did so many htings to undo what we did for him. We knew he would die, it was his time. But we learned so much from him, I learned so much about qiogng masters and how they can live in energetic truth but live lies here on earth plane. HOw the universal plan doesn’t always agree to our earth plan. That to judge this qiogng master as being evil, well was he? I don’t truly know. Too many unanswered questions that nobody has given me any answers to. I only know that I was to tkae my friend back to his essence and give him as much comfort as we could. And I saw so many beautiful things that my friend from Tennessee did in his healing. I saw the green spew from a hold in my sick friend’s liver. Had no idea what it was at the time we were in group healing, but asked later. My friend from Tennessee was releasing anger, toxin from liver. I also saw my sick friend held up in the void and he was vertical and he turned round and I saw gifts fall from my Tennessee friend’s hands. Gifts in like gift boxes of the clearest colours of blue and red and yellow and green. It was so very beautiful.
I also saw, when I myself was treating my friend thru my third eye. (My partner and I treated him every day for a few weeks, then every other day). Anyways as I treated my friend energetically this face jumped out from his liver – his energetic anger and I threw it into the earth., one of his demons I guess.

Anyways, in one year I learned so much and would like to continue on but only with some answers to some of my questions. And htis time I want to know the consequences of some of what is done – universally.

I feel that healing is very tricky, for one does not want to upset any karmic balance nor any event that needs to happen to benefit the release of karma. There is always cause and effect and sometimes the effect not only effects your client but many others as well.
When we healed our cancer friend for that short time we knew he would eventually die before we even started but we felt he was put before us for a reason and we put our hearts and soul into healing him. We took away one whole tumor and diagnose his steptoccoccus infection. It does work but if the client’s spirit doesn’t want to stay, it doesn’t want to stay.

Anyways, I find it hard to find a teacher where I live. They all want you to kowtow for 5 years or so and then maybe they will decide if they want to teach you or not. Just a bunch of crap really and I am not getting any younger and I am definately not rich enough to buy my way into anything.

So here I sit.

Rejected by taiji/qigong master.
Left another qigong master
Grew crystal on own time

So now what?

We have a couple of people who want us to teach them what we know, but we just do it casually, nothing deep.

But we have not teacher, no transmission. and not much trust.

Any suggestions?

That sounds like a fair stance. BTW, Enlightnement, satori, Imortality, whatever languange we are using for the “suprememe goal” of life should not be some vague experience.

From all of my studying of zen masters the satori experience was absolutely earth shattering, life changing to say the least, complete transformation of body, mind and personality experiences.

If you choose to think these stories are exagerations that’s cool but true enlightenment from the tradition started by Shakyamuni Buddha, brought to China by Bodhidharma, passed down for centuries in an unbroken lineage throughout China and then Japan, has HISTORICAL and detailed accounts of the enlightnment experienced by THOUSANDS of people.

And it’s not akin to being a little higher up on a rock in the middle of a fog. It’s total, complete see through to the bottom of your soul self realization.

I happen to beleive in this and want this for myself. But like John Daido Loori told me even in the Golden age of zen in China, when the Emperor was a Buddhist…very, very few people even practiced zen much less got enlightened(lot’s of Chinese, you know.)

If it jives with you great, if not, great. I come from a family with a Roman catholic mother who goes to mass every day and a father who is from a family of Muslims that take trips to Mecca. I was born learning to accept other people’s views.

But I do think zen is where it is at(And the esoteric school is ‘neat’ too)

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