Would Anyone Like to Discuss Positive Practice Experiences?

Hi Intelligence,

>>you’ve got to have something real to work with..

drugs/chemicals are real with real effects..<<

so you say that something is 'real' only when you can find physical data supporting it eh? That's fine. It's pretty good in some sense, actually.

You get to create more information, more knowledge about the physical realm and that is interesting, and it's definately usefull! but is it narrow minded?

If I *feel* sad, what do I do? Well personally I might just concentrate on the *feeling* of sadness in my body and let it do its thing (usually it climaxes then quickly withers away). I'm completely presuming this, but what *you* might do is: quickly get out of your body and into your mind, think about what the neurotransmitters are doing – 'have I got enough seratonin, what about dopamine? – maybe I should be consuming 5-HTP and tryptophan-heavy proteins, etc'… and guess what – you stop feeling bad! not because you've allowed the 'feeling' to do its thing and complete its course, but because the pain made you jump out of your body into your mind, where you distract yourself with mental noise. You could have exactly the same effect doing a quadratic equation next time you feel sad. The positive aspect of this is that you dont feel the pain, but the negative aspect is that you will be storing this repressed pain in your body as a blockage.

So you're into Leary's 8-Circuit Model eh? It's a great model, but often it's hard to apply it to yourself, because you're so absorbed in your particular combination of circuits. (Just like Freud completely glossing over the 3rd circuit and dismissing it, because he couldn't see that he was opperating almost completely on the 3rd circuit) You often need someone to point out to you what they see – this can be painfull sometimes because your ego is naturally drawn to keep you 'where you are' as long as 'where you are' is keeping you alive and able to reproduce… change is risk, and risk is potentially lethal, so your ego makes it painfull to change… but change is the most natural thing in the world – it happens all the time, and if you see yourself as a taoist or at least a 'spiritual type' then embracing constant change is the name of the game. Paying attention to feedback from others would mean that you're setting up a potential to change… which is painfull… so this maybe why you're not paying attention to Alexander's feedback?

For all it's worth my limited experience of you on this board demonstrates several things: you're a total 3rd circuit guy… in NLP terms, you mostly operate from the auditory digital modality (using internal dialogue) and this has a huge effect on your body! Because auditory digital, 3rd circuit types are like giant heads, with no bodies (I know – I had a phase of this myself!). Because you can only really experience your body fully, when you shut the f***k up and pay attention to your kinasthetic (feeling) sense!! Now it's unlikely you'll be doing this anytime soon, because if you were to do it now, you would experience all those feelings that were trapped by you when you started 'thinking' about them (and thus repressing them) instead of fully experiencing them in your body.

thanks for your empathy treesinger
seeing that little girl changed my life…….soooooo tiny….sooo much potential
fingers the size of matches.

TS >I’ll definitely keep her in my thoughts<

thanks so much,

Dear Intelligence,

Time to update your scientific database, which is a bit dusty or perhaps irritated-overloaded mentally by too much time spent trying to integrate Leary and Hurtak into a single grok.

I have given the links below, the hard scientific work has been done by Jim Oschman, who has several books out with references to thousands of studies he has collated on suble body medicine, and the latest science behind feeling. You old “nerve plexus” model is decades out of date, science has moved past Leary’s models as well, which were based on the science of decades ago.

Once you read through the two links below – giving you a better picture of the biology of consciousness,
you will probably feel less aggravated by people who are feeling your frustration at not being able to find someone on this forum at the same communication frequency.

I’d be interested to know if you can find fault with his science, please give me (and Jim Oschman) a detailed rebuttal including all your scientific studies and evidence if you do indeed find it lacking.

His books are not cheap, but I think you would find them a good investment. I think your mental body would feel fed, and allow you to trust other feelings, backed by the latest science.

You might also find the article by mae wan ho on my articles page useful – higher level communication pathways in the body.

Smiles,
Michael

Excerpts from publications by James L. Oschman, Ph.D.

1. HOW HEALING ENERGY WORKS
http://theamt.com/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=143

2. The Natural Science of Healing. A biology of whole systems
http://www.somatics.de/Oshman.htm

Contents:

· Preface;

· Context;

· Matrices;

· An Introduction to Whole Systems;

· A Language of Relationship;

· Evolving a Science of Relationship;

· What is Quantum Mechanics?;

· Quantum Biology;

· Biological Fields (Appendix: Publications of Harold Saxon Burr);

· Gravity and Life;

· The Gravitational Field;

· Electrical and Bioelectrical Fields;

· Magnetic and Biomagnetic Fields;

· Induction;

· Electromagnetic Fields;

· Resonance;

· Tissue that Connects;

· Physiological Integration;

· Verticality as an Example;

· Significance of Balance.

Hi FF,

I enjoyed following this avenue of explanation that you’ve taken and am interested in what you would say about how to deal with a head full of persistent internal dialogue.

Smiles, Alexander

Very nifty. Thanks. It looks like it is a way to create space which is what happens in true meditation.

I am willing to bet that the direction you cast your eyes – up, down or middle – can affect this practice differently. I say this because of something I learned in a workshop last year (Psych-K). They taught a method of muscle testing that specified having you cast your eyes downward while the head is level because, they said, (and they got this from NLP) when you look up you go into your vision/imagination, when you look level you go into auditory and when you look down you are more focussed in body mode and that is the proper place to be when you are asking the body for answers.

Alexander

yeah – one has to be a little careful with the looking down thing… Because there are two location when you look down – *most* people when they look down and left they are accessing their internal dialogue! and you really dont want that! *most* people when they look down right are accessing their kinesthetic sense.

Up in general is visual, and level (on the horizon) left or right is external auditory (not self-talk!)… also defocused stare straight ahead is visual too (usually this kind of stares are the result of very fast-moving internal imagery).

So yeah Hakalau is specifically a very relaxed *external* awareness… and looking slightly up will improve one’s visual sense. If I start looking down (whether left or right) I’ll start going inside – so I wont have external awareness anylonger.

Once the external hakalau technique is well developed, you can start using it when going internal – and it does exactly what matblack said – it creates space… while still being aware.

oh and if you want to work out how *your* eye movements correspond to your senses, just get someone to help out… get them to ask you these questions and watch your eyes carefully – (sometimes it’s a very quick flicker sometimes the eyes respond quite slowly):

1)”remember what your first room looked like – what colour was it – what did you have on the walls? etc” this tests for ‘visual remembered’ (most people look up and to their left when doing this).

2)”what would that room look like if it was painted black?” this tests for ‘visual created’ (most people look up and to their right).

3)”what does your favourite tune sound like?” – this is ‘auditory remembered’ – usually to the person’s left (horizontal)

4)”what would that song sound like if it was played at twice the speed?” – ‘auditory constructed’ – usually horizontal right

5)”what does it feel like to wash your hands in warm water?” – kinesthetic – usually down right

6)”repeat in your mind a peopem or song lyrics you know by heart” – internal dialogue – usually down left.